To those of you that think USC deserves a share of the title.

From our very own Ramah:

 

LOL...true..true...true...

 

The AP is completely independent of this BCS. The AP can award a national title to whoever they want. It's an independent organization of sportswriters who vote for who they think are the top 25 teams.

Heck I can declare a national champion if I want. The winner of the sugar bowl will be national champs according to the BCS, USA Today, ESPN Coaches poll.

The AP votes for a national champion at the end of the season. You know they used to award national championships before the bowls. I don't get this LSU is being disrespected nonesense if USC is awarded a national title by the AP. There is nothing in the BCS contract which says that member conferences must renounce the AP.

Get a grip. Until there is a NCAA division 1A playoff we will always have mythical national championships.

 

The problem is that now we are hearing that USAToday will publish the coaches votes, and also that they will possibly name another #1, other than the Sugar winner. A few articles over the past few days made reference to coaches voting to buck the BCS. Thus not giving LSU or Okla their due. It all boils down to giving SC 75% and LSU/Okla 25% (if SC wins).

So while I could live with a split title this year (between SC and LSU), I don't like the idea of the two polls both ranking SC ahead of LSU out of spite to the BCS. I guess in the long term it doesn't really matter what happens, I just don't like what I am hearing from the coaches and USAToday. I also don't like AP voters saying if SC wins, that is it, they will place their votes before the outcome of the Sugar (which was also reported yesterday in a USAToday article).

I posted both articles yesterday on a thread much like this one. Of all the crap with the BCS, #1, etc . . . this voting out of spite thing bothers me. How can anyone justify putting SC over LSU if LSU beat Okla? The arguement of SC being ranked higher all season doesn't do it for me. LSU would have beaten not only more top 25 teams, but more top 10 teams, and would have played a tougher schedule. So, a vote for SC in the coaches poll would be strickly out of spite.

 

You are wrong, my friend. The AP can award an AP championship. The National Championship is reserved for the winner of the Sugar Bowl.

 

a playoff won't help...

Not quite...they are both part of the amalgamated institution of college football. In my opinion, the AP is merely a "pat on the back" for 25 division 1 ncaa football teams.

In fact, the AP college football poll resembles the United States electoral college. In place so that the "less informed" public does not make the "wrong decision" in its vote. Interesting concept, just inherently flawed.

It is conceptually impossible for each AP voter to account for all of the criteria necessary to make truly unbiased vote. Hell, they can't even watch all the games! What are they going to do, read something about the game written by another voter (or member of their organization)? Sounds like a good old-fashioned conflict of interest to me. The AP poll is and always has been (ramah) an illogical method of providing a true, unbiased, of ranking football teams.

IMO, the BCS is a step in the right direction. You wouldn't anything close to a 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3 matchup without it. The BCS just hasn't gone far enough - the problem is, it CAN'T. The AP is established in this institution and isn't going anywhere. A playoff won't even solve the problem of the AP. What, are we going to force the AP to vote in accordance to the playoff results? If we can't force them to vote for #1, how can you force them to vote for #1 through #4 or #1 through #8?

Lets say you have a 4 team, single elimination playoff that involves all 1-loss teams. Only one team is going to finish with one loss. By the illogic of the AP poll, you'd have the loser of the championship game ranked lower than the losers of the semifinal games. Too bad suckers - you got farther, but you lost later. And what, if they did vote in accordance to the playoff results (and they'd certainly be free to do that as well) they would be going against the entire warped principle that they use in the first place: "Lose later, pay more".

IMO, before ANYTHING can change, the organizations that issue an award considered by the public to be a "national championship" based on the results of a human poll need rethink their role in college football.

 

I see what you guys are saying, but the NCAA does not recognize a national champion in Division 1-A Football. This is from NCAA.org

The NCAA does not conduct a national championship in Division I-A football and is not involved in the selection process. Since 1998, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) operated jointly by the ACC, Southeastern, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten and Pacific-10 Conferences uses a ranking system to determine the number one and number two teams at the end of the season. These two teams play each other in a post-season bowl game for the BCS national championship. Below is a year-by-year history of Division I-A football national champions as determined by various organizations:

2002
Ohio State: AP, BCS, Billingsley, DeVold, FACT, FW, Massey, NY Times, Sporting News, USA/ESPN
Southern California: Dunkel, Matthews, Sagarin The Sugar Bowl is for the BCS championship. The AP awards a national championship and so does. By tradition, there has been two widely recognized national title standards the Coaches Poll (UPI, USA Today/ESPN) and Sportswriters and Broadcasters (AP)

 

Hey. I know. Why don't we have a big ole tournament and find out who the champion is? Nahhhhh.

 

Enough, Enough drc ... get off your knees ... :shock: :dis: :shock:

Fightin Tiger ... I've been misquoted by this clown.

Really gents,
This won't matter after LSU wins THE NC game, as 2 THINGS will happen.

1. The AP will VERY LIKELY fall to LSU who will be the sole NC.

2. All of Pete Carroll's rantings ... all of ESPN's SKEWED JOURNALISM & FAVORITISM ... will have been for naught.

Carroll doesn't see the damage this will do to his recruiting and his program ... and that's too bad for him ... let him cry us a river.

Coach Saban will sit there in the end ......................... smiling ...
while the Violins play tunes of "Gypsy Airs"

 

Yep, we know that. And that is certainly part of the problem.

You'll notice the NCAA doesn't do much to distance itself from the "mythical national championship". In fact, an official NCAA site, www.ncaafootball.net, even has a poll on its front page asking us "Which conference will win the 2003-04 National Championship?" Of course, Div 1A conferences are listed. (BTW, go vote!).

Anyway, so much for the NCAA not recognizing the fact that there is a national championship. The fact is, not only will the NCAA have to be involved, they will have to be a DRIVER if we expect to get any closer to having an official champion. Don't they see something wrong with this picture?

So why? Why is the NCAA mysteriously quiet during this civil unrest surrounding their most popular sport (measured in $$$)? They make and enforce the rest of the rules - WHAT'S THE DEAL? Hell, they even make it look EASY when you consider the 1-AA or Div II and III postseasons.

The NCAA is FAR from innocent in this debacle. They are the ENABLERS. All in the name of what? Tradition? Money? F that - this is "revenue-generating" BS, all at the expense of the ticket-buying public. Oh, and what about those sorry saps who actually buy the tickets and watch the ads that fund the sport?? I think its safe to say that we've LONG been tired of the "MNC". 6 seasons ago they took notice and we were teased with a solution. Hah...look where that got us - here we are, right back in 1997. If the media wasn't making so much money off of it, the NCAA probably would have done something a long time ago.

The joke is still on us.