The REAL reason John Kerry Won't Release His Complete Military Records?

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  1. G_MAN113

    G_MAN113 Founding Member

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    Looks like there might be evidence of a Dishonorable Discharge in those missing 94 pages he won't release. It seems that when Mr. Kerry took it upon himself to parley w/ the Communist North Vietnamese delegation in Paris, he wasn't a private citizen, but rather, still a Lieutenant in the United States Navy Reserve. In short, he committed a serious court-martial offense by going over there.


    Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
    BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
    October 13, 2004

    An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

    The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

    According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.

    A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.

    http://www.nysun.com/article/3107
     
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  2. Rex

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    Mystery? There's no "mystery"...

    Republicans are at it again, trying to smear Kerry's heroic military service because their own candidate sent somebody over there in his place, then partied, then went AWOL.
     
  3. G_MAN113

    G_MAN113 Founding Member

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    Then perhaps you can explain why Mr. Kerry won't simply sign a DD Form 180, authorizing the release of the remaining 94 pages of his military records? It's a simple thing, Rex...if he's got nothing to hide, why not sign it and put it past him?

    In any event, I think that anybody who's so deperately grasping at straws over a conspiracy theory that Pres. Bush might have been wearing a wire during the debate is hardly qualified to make a judgement. You're on the Titanic and you know it.
     
  4. rickyd

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    We already elected 1 traitor, who protested in Russia during the height of the cold war, I certainly hope this populace is smart enough not to elect a 3 band-aid, conspiring with the enemy coward, like Kerry to the highest office in the land.:thumb:
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Kerry's complete military records have been released a year ago and are available for inspection on his website.

    John Kerry's Military Records

    It is George Bush that cannot produce records to support his claims that he served in the Alabama National Guard. Smoke and mirrors cannot hide this.

    Comparison of Kerry's and Bush's Military records

    Here is Kerrys discharge record, by the way. Actual official documents, not hearsay by republican detractors.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I challenge you to document any of these preposterous statements. You don't know what a traitor is. You don't know what a coward is.

    How old are you anyway?
     
  7. G_MAN113

    G_MAN113 Founding Member

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    Did you read the link, Red? If did, you couldn't have possibly missed this:

    Mr. Kerry has repeatedly refused to sign Standard Form 180, which would allow the release of all his military records. And some of his various spokesmen have claimed that all his records are already posted on his Web site. But the Washington Post already noted that the Naval Personnel Office admitted that they were still withholding about 100 pages of files.

    I'd hardly call a report by The Washington Post "hearsay by republican detractors"...on the contrary, the Washington Post is about as liberal an organ as there is.

    Why WON'T he sign Form 180, Red? And now that we're on the subject, how is it that a Lt. in the USNR can go to Paris of his own accord and meet with representatives of the enemy at peace talks, and face absolutely NO disciplinary action, whatsoever? I know you never served, Red, but even you have to know that such things are frowned upon by the military establishment.
     
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    G_MAN113 Founding Member

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    BTW, Red, don't know if you noticed it, but the honorable discharge orders you posted are the ones mentioned in the article...dated 1978, a full 6 years after John Kerry's active duty obligation had ended. The document you posted proves nothing...all it means is that he could have gone to an attorney after a specified length of time, and had his discharge upgraded...it's done all the time. And it would have been especially easy to do in 1978, since Jimmy Carter had just declared a general amnesty.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It was his 1978 discharge from his 6-year naval reserve commitment. The 1972 naval document transfering him from active duty to the reserves exists also, see the web site. It is an official discharge paper. No dishonorable discharge documents exist. Only rumors.

    I know nothing about Kerry conspiring with the enemy. You got some credible evidence? Citizens have the right to travel abroad and talk to foreigners, if the Navy didn't admonish him, what is the problem?

    I know nothing about Naval forms other than the quote you provided. What else do you know about it? What evidence do you have that a dishonorable discharge exists and is being concealed?
     
  10. rickyd

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    Old enough for vietnam, and anyone with 3 purple hearts in 41/2 months that won't release his records is either a chickensh!t or a coward.

    During that same time frame bubba is in russia. What do you call him? Sir or traitor?

    EDIT: Meeting with the enemy of your country is treasonous or traitorous. Take your pick.

    I don't recall either of these two countries being our friend at the time>
     

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