The Published Conversions Have Begun.

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  1. SEN

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    It makes a lot of sense but John Adams is an LSU graduate who used to work for the Advocate. I don't expect the rest of the AP voters to see things that sensibly or to be able to overcome their bias against LSU and in favor of USC.
     
  3. LSUfan

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    I don't know Bengal B, stranger things have happened. Beating the #5 team in the country is hard to ignore. After the season, b/c of the importance of the vote, I think the AP/coaches will look at all the factors before just sending USC to the Sugar. They will have to see who both teams played, who beat them, and if SC or LSU is looking to be playing better at the end of the year.

    Of course Adams is biased, but he still has SC ahead of us, others could be doing the same waiting for the SEC title game. That makes sense to me, if LSU wins that game, they prove they deserve a shot at Okla. That is not really fair to USC, but that is what happens to PAC 10 teams when stronger conferences have teams that match there 1 loss highly ranked teams.
     
  4. ChineseBandit

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    I still think LSU will have to win big over Georgia and not just win. We'll see.

    If they don't make it even with 1 loss, I at least hope it causes enough of a stir to change the system. An 8 team playoff that involves 7 established Bowls.

    1. Sugar - NC Game

    2. Fiesta - Final Four game. Winner of 4 vs winner of 7
    3. Rose - Final Four game. Winner of 5 vs winner of 6

    4. Orange - First round game #1 vs #8
    5. Cotton - First round game #2 vs #7
    6. Gator - First round game #3 vs #6
    7. Peach - First round game #4 vs #5

    You could do this lots of ways. Have the first 4 and last three on separate rotations as the BCS does now for the NC game. Give the bottom 4 an order of choosing which seeds in the first round they'd like to host because maybe #3 vs #6 sounds like a better game than #1 vs #8 for some reason e.g. long time rivalry or something.

    In this system, 6 fewer teams get invited to Bowls than they do now. Honestly, so what? There are more Bowls than ever and we get to watch 6 win teams battle it out in something called the New Orleans Bowl.

    2 teams would have their schedule extended by 2 weeks. 2 others by 1 week. And yeah, the 9th ranked team would bitch and moan on many occasions. But genuine NC controversies never extend to the 9th ranked team. They involve 2, 3 or 4 in 99% of the cases.
     
  5. LSUfan

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    ChineseBandit, why should any other team in the country have a chance at the NC this year other than LSU, USC, or Okla?

    I can understand wanting some kind of game to decide who take on the undefeated team, but I can't understand why 3 and 4 loss teams should have a chance to win a NC in a playoff format when you have two 1 loss teams and 1 undefeated team left after the regular season. It doesn't make sense to me. College football is about undefeated seasons and how well you play during the season. Unlike pro football which only requires that you play your best football during the final month of the season. I wouldn't like a new system that rewards 3 and 4 loss teams with a chance at playing for the NC when you usually have only a few undefeated or 1 loss teams remaining after a 12 game regular season.

    I think there should be a better way to decide the team in the NC. Maybe a 1 game playoff between teams with an equal amount of losses would be fair. For example, if LSU and USC win out this year, they should be able to play each other to see who takes on an undefeated Okla team. Like a mini playoff, yet still keeping the importance on the regular season. But I just can't understand why teams #4 through #8 deserve a shot. The last time a team won the NC with more than 1 loss was over 45 years ago. The regular season still means more in this sport, throughout the entire season, than in any other sport in the world. Each week is very much a playoff game. If either LSU or USC lose, the other team would be more deserving to play for the NC. Why do we need a playoff to tell us that. Texas, Michigan, Georgia, Florida St, and Ohio State all lost atleast 2 games this year and don't deserve the same chance as LSU, USC, or Okla.

    Geaux Tigers!
     
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    And they can always add a Garlic Growers of America Bowl, a TonyChacheries.com Bowl and a Fargo North Dakota Bowl so that no 6 win team gets left out
     
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    Yea, but no one is going to watch Tulane get beat by Loyola's flag football entramural champion.
     
  8. ChineseBandit

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    Because the alternative is just unworkable. What do you do? First decide how many teams deserve to go based on their record and then form a playoff system around that number? It could be 2, 3, 4 maybe 5? You'd have a completely unpredictable playoff system.

    Then I can assume you would be in favor of a system that would simply declare OU the National Champions and have everyone else play for number 2, 3, 4...? I mean, why should OU have to play at all? They have no losses. LSU and USC have one. That's the logical extension of your argument.

    And I don't know why you mention 3 and 4 losses here. None of the top 8 teams have more than 2.
     
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    I enjoyed the article. Was it me or did he use the stats we have been throwing around? All we need to do is expose these numbers to a few more media writers and we'll have a much louder voice.
     
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    Strange. When Adams worked for the Advocate he was LSU's worst enemy. It seemed he hated his own alma mater and looked for any story that would stir up convtroversy. Some of the players and coaches wouldn't even talk to him. If he's on the bandwagon now I guess anyone can be.
     

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