Obama The Iran Deal We Should Have Done

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    They have been given nothing and won't until they do what is required. We have all the leverage we need since the sanctions relief is phased in. You don't pay any attention to the news do you?

    Several really obvious reasons. The sanctions that we were bargaining were put on for UN nuclear weapons violations and were were involved with other countries including Russia and China. It was a straightforward arrangement of sanctions for compliance on nuclear arms. Adding more conditions would only have made it more difficult to achieve, but it would also have left the prisoners out in the cold if the talk collapsed.

    Worse, it could set a precedent where they could take and hold more Americans and trade them for $millions in more sanctions relief. They are still under some sanctions for their support of international terrorism.

    Now that one agreement is out of the way, we can talk about the prisoners release without any of that baggage.
     
    red55, Jul 22, 2015
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Barry doesn't care about them, only his little deserter buddy, what was his name? Birdshit, something like that. Did he ever get that Marine out of the Mexican jail?
     
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  3. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    It's more likely that some staff member reminded Obamahammad that he should at least give some lip service to the hostages as an afterthought. Just like he had to be reminded to order the flag lowered to halfstaff.
     
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    This one is for LaSalle...
     

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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Ha, druggies don't drive altimas
     
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  6. el005639

    el005639 Founding Member

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    Red, deep down you know no matter what iran does, China and russia( maybe others) are not going to vote to keep any
    sanctions. the Iranian PM said as much to his parliament.
    http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84044419/
    "But Zarif argued that the six world powers -- the United States, Britain, France, Germany, China and Russia -- would hesitate to seek renewed sanctions if the move cut off new and lucrative business ties to the Iranian market."
     
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  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Russia and China might not vote any new sanctions, because they are pissed at our response to their aggressions in Ukraine and the South China Sea. But the actual final agreement has a "snap-back" clause where the original sanctions can be reimposed for failure to comply with the treaty. That was the main sticking point for us and they had to concede it.
     
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  8. el005639

    el005639 Founding Member

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    failure to comply is subjective.... and it will never rise to the auto snap back level. iran will do what they want and they will end up with a bomb because we
    believe we can trust the world to do the right thing, which of course we can't. If you can't see that or even believe what the iranian pm said, then their is no use trying to convince you. go ahead and drink your Obama koolaide, mmm good...

    just remember this, failure to take a threat serious, will almost certainly ensure it will happen.
     
    el005639, Jul 22, 2015
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  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Failure to make a convincing argument will ensure that you convince nobody of nothing.
     
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  10. el005639

    el005639 Founding Member

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    QUOTE="red55, post: 1472927, member: 701"]Failure to make a convincing argument will ensure that you convince nobody of nothing.[/QUOTE]
    i dont need to make the arguement. the iranian pm has made it for me. why would he make the statement that they should not worry about sanctions returning, if they intend to follow the rules.
     
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