Military So ISIS & the Middle East

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Yeah, that's what I thought. I expected better. Don't pretend you're some kind of bimbo.

    So, tell us. What do you propose?
     
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  2. tigerchick46

    tigerchick46 Quick Learner

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    Alright I'll take the bait you crusty goat.......What I seriously propose, all sarcastic bullshit aside. They kill one of our citizens, we kill 10,000 of theirs. You behead one of our citizens and put it on YouTube we atomic bomb your ass to the moon.....and we put it on YouTube. To all those who have a problem with it, all who have a problem torturing terrorist, all the ridiculous assholes who think terrorist have rights and deserve a fair trial, all those that say too many "innocent" civilians will be killed with collateral damage, guess what? I don't care. This is who you are dealing with, barbarians. It's all they understand and respect. You want to threaten more Americans by beheading our own.....we will bring 100,000x the death to your doorstep, period.
     
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  3. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    And this is exactly why you guys believe Obama is bat-shit crazy for taking a more measured and cautious approach: because you want some sort of Cowboy diplomacy where the only answer is to "kill'em all."

    You made it clear in your first post that you believe this is a holy war that we are engaged in and that Muslims are the enemy. This goes hand in hand with your "kill'em all" mentality. However, this is not a holy war where Christians are battling Muslims. Using your own reasoning, it could be said that we were at war with Christians during WW2 because Hitler believed that killing Jews was some how a part of his duty as a Christian. Sounds crazy, right? Well, that's because it is crazy. We are currently at war with psychopaths who want to impose their kind of oppression on everyone who doesn't believe EXACTLY the way they do, just like we were in WW2.

    Just a little history lesson for you: prior to GWB, our diplomacy always looked measured and cautious. This is how it is supposed to be. Build a coalition where it isn't just American blood on the line, make sure neighboring countries have some skin in the game too. Our diplomats are currently doing just that. When there is a coalition of nations working in consort, it makes it a lot harder for ME regimes to point the finger at the "Imperialist" Americans and say we are the "occupiers" or "invaders."
     
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  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Despite their name the "Islamic State" is not a country! They are an insurrection in somebody else's country. They have no "citizens" to kill. No economy, no infrastructure except what they captured from the legitimate owners, no diplomacy, and no . The people that they control are Iraqis and Syrians who have done us no harm. Let me explain something. You can't target terrorists with nuclear weapons. Neither do we commit religious genocide just because we are angry. I can't think of anything more Anti-American. It's pure National Socialism as practiced in wartime Germany. Why do you hate America?

    Nobody has a problem with treating the terrorists ruthlessly. Your inability to distinguish between fighters and civilians is the problem. Your wild notion that we must kill 2 billion muslims is totally whackadoo. Even if it were possible to do this, it would bankrupt and ruin us. Is that what you want? It's what they want! Al Qaeda never came close to defeating america with its attacks, but they almost ruined us by baiting a foolish US president into two extremely expensive wars that will end up accomplishing almost nothing to combat terror. But you are ready to do it again. Amazing. Hell, there are 7 million American muslims mostly living in Detroit, New York, DC, Atlanta, Houston, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Chicago. Nuclear weapons? Carpet bombing?

    Why not consider something far cheaper and more effective? Just go after the terrorists among them.

    Ooooh, an internet tough guy. There are only about 15,000 ISIS fighters, what 85,000 women and kids do you want to kill to make you feel better? Why not just target the ISIS militants, their logistical bases, their funding sources, and their terrorist friends.
     
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  5. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    As much as the thought of turning the entire Arab world into a giant radioactive parking lot appeals to me you know we're not really going to do that. While we might have a pretty good idea where the terrorists are we don't know for sure or they would already be dead. But as barbaric as those ragheads are a lot of them do have families. Mothers, fathers, wives, children that they do care about. The CIA or some black ops unit could find them pretty easily. I say if they behead an American, we feed the favorite relative of the highest ISIS leader possible to some hungry pigs. Alive. And send them the video. Pigs are considered unclean by Muslims. If a terrorist leader knew that his whole family would be chopped into pieces one by one and fed to pigs while still living they would think twice before beheading an American
     
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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Think about that for a second. ISIS made that video hoping that it would scare America into stopping the air strikes. Instead, it only hardened our hearts and bought them more airstrikes and a possible major campaign against them. Atrocities do not frighten enemies, it only creates more enemies and more determined ones.

    America doing the same thing to them would only have the same effect. Terrorism has never earned terrorists what they wanted . . . never in the history of the world. Terror does not make enemies cower, it makes them angry. It turns them into implacable foes.

    ISIS doesn't really expect this video to make America back off. They did it as a recruiting tool for more young, unemployed muslims across the middle east. They don't have a country to recruit in. They must find new recruits to replace casualties. The flip side is that it produces new recruits for their enemies, as well.
     
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  7. uscvball

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    The CIA has targeted certain ragheads and at times collateral damage has included families, children. There are some who only travel with wives and children believing they won't be targeted for that exact reason. Some of them are all dead now.

    Did they really think we would stop airstrikes? I don't know. I'm not convinced. And what major campaign? Other than the US, I don't hear much of a refrain or commitment coming from anyone else.

    I agree that the videos are primarily for recruiting. But not just for new people....Europeans and Americans mostly. They want people with passports who can export terror back to their home country.
     
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  8. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    I have heard that Muslims believe that if they die in the presence of a pig they won't go to paradise.
     
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  9. uscvball

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    If they are true to the Koran, I don't think that's accurate.

    "He has forbidden you carrion, blood and the flesh of swine; also any flesh consecrated other than in the name of God. But whoever is driven by necessity, intending neither to sin not to transgress, will find that God is forgiving and merciful." The Bee 16:115

    This verse and at least 2 more incarnations say the same thing. No pork but if you are hungry, eat and ask for forgiveness.
     
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  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I disagree with you but at the same time think that the guy who ends up putting a ring on your finger is gonna be a lucky dude. You don't find many women these days with the "kill em all, let god sort em out" mentality.
     
    LaSalleAve, Sep 3, 2014
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