Should we reopen the book on Evolution?

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  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    No one wants you to stop posting. We just want you to stop posting stupid crap.
     
  2. flabengal

    flabengal Founding Member

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    USMTiger:

    Hoaxes abound on the pro-evolution side-


    the link, if interested:
    Archaeoraptor hoax update—National Geographic recants!

    So, Red, you're the resident scientist. I've got articles saying this thing was a hoax and other articles saying it was not. Which one did the scientific community decide on? Is there a final court of appeals or something. Who says yes or no?
     
  3. Krypto

    Krypto Huh?

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    Technically you are not quite correct. We have a sample size of 2.

    Evidence of life on Mars lurks beneath surface of meteorite, Nasa experts claim - Times Online

     
  4. Krypto

    Krypto Huh?

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    oh god please don't use the work grok. If he grok'ed it, he would never find the correct answer. He would find a lot of useless crap though.
     
  5. flabengal

    flabengal Founding Member

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    red55 Re: Should we reopen the book on Evolution?


    Red:
    I see now that this was a misunderstanding. I think this happens because these posts take place at such different times, etc for the individual poster.

    The whole effect becomes a bit disjointed.

    My point on that was not that the powers that be on TigerForums had tried to influence the debate. My point was if they wanted to, they could. The moderators could cause an unfair hearing, so to speak.

    My central argument in all of these issues is that those in authority have become corrupted or have a stake in one side winning and one side losing.

    Again, I smell a fix. This is what I meant about Global Warming, about 9/11, about JFK, about Evolution, about the Patrick Peterson interception, etc etc.

    I have copied my full post in the hopes it is a little clearer.

     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Absence of evidence does not constitute evidence of absence.

    Here is the deal. I did not disagree with your statement that we cannot know that life exists elsewhere until proof is obtained. But . . . that lack of absolute proof in no way suggests that we can't assess the likelyhood of it by valid methods.

    As I have told you many times before, we do not live in a black and white world. Just because we do not yet know everything does not mean that we know nothing.

    I did not. You lie.

    No, it is you who does not understand the rule of large numbers.

    Exactly. The elements that comprise life on earth exist in abundance throughout the universe and the natural processes that permit life on earth exist in billions of places unless earth was created instead of evolving by natural processes. Which team are you on anyway?

    By God, martin is now acknowledging his soul! It is after all the only part of you that is any way unique as a life form.

    Hallelujah! Amen.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Shooting stupid crap full of holes is tremendous fun. Nothing like it. It's why you are one of my favorite people. :hihi:
     
  8. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I'm setting you up.
     
  9. OkieTigerTK

    OkieTigerTK Tornado Alley

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    preach it, brother red.

    and pass the collection basket.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Like all natural processes, science evolves. Mistakes are sometimes made, they are discovered, then better explanations are found. Just because one Chinese tried to fake a fossil for profit does not invalidate the hundreds of thousands of specimens that do withstand peer scrutiny and are accepted as valid. As soon as independent paleontologists were allowed to see the specimen, serious questions were raised.

    What this episode demonstrates is the need for close scientific scrutiny of purported "missing links" published in journals which are not peer-reviewed. National Geographic, despite its stature, is a poplular science magazine, not a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

    In their attempt to get a "scoop", they tripped on the peckers. But this scandal is not about fraud involving paleontology. The paleontologists were not fooled. The scandal is about the profiteering among amateur fossil hunters, especially foreign fossil hunters operating outside recognized scientific communities and motivated by money to fake artifacts. It is also about National Geographic foolishly evading the normal peer reviews to get an exclusive story.

    Many creationists have tried to use this to cast doubt on evolutionary theory. "Archaeoraptor" was a forgery, but many dozens of valid fossils of feathered dinosaurs have been found, survived scrutiny, and demonstrate the evolutionary connection between birds and other theropods.
     

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