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We have great American kids being killed everyday for what? We cannot take care of our elderly and educate our kids. Isn’t time we start taking care of our own and the hell with Iraq, Haiti, and every country with issues. Why should we give Israel 20 billion dollars a year, Mexico 10 billion, and every knit picken country that sticks their hand out money? Bring our kids home, and figure a way how to produce jobs. America is loose jobs everyday, factories are closing, or moving to a third world country or they are outsourcing jobs to India. America let us take care of Americans FIRST. Old folks cannot afford to pay for their medication, while we provide free health care to Iraqis. If that makes sense to you maybe you should pay my taxes, I am tired of my money going over seas. I love my country, and pray for the folks overseas, but enough is enough.

busybee, Apr 23, 2004

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Can you say, " 11 Sep 02"?

busybee said:

We have great American kids being killed everyday for what? We cannot take care of our elderly and educate our kids. Isn’t time we start taking care of our own and the hell with Iraq, Haiti, and every country with issues. Why should we give Israel 20 billion dollars a year, Mexico 10 billion, and every knit picken country that sticks their hand out money? Bring our kids home, and figure a way how to produce jobs. America is loose jobs everyday, factories are closing, or moving to a third world country or they are outsourcing jobs to India. America let us take care of Americans FIRST. Old folks cannot afford to pay for their medication, while we provide free health care to Iraqis. If that makes sense to you maybe you should pay my taxes, I am tired of my money going over seas. I love my country, and pray for the folks overseas, but enough is enough.
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You talk like 9/11 never happened. Don't give me that crap that Saddam had no relationship with Al Qaida, because it is well documented that Saddam and Osama had an "arrangement", a very cozy relationship, and that their envoys met each other on more than several occasions. I don't have to prove anything to you, because I have seen the documentation with my own eyes. Anybody who cares to see the proof can find it on the internet.

Us military guys sign up with the knowledge that we might get our heads blown off by the enemy. So be it. Maybe I can get a few of them before they get me.

What I DIDN'T sign up for was to have mine and my wife's personal possessions stolen by thieves during our move when Uncle Sam is paying good money to movers to protect my wife's stuff (and mine). Gettin killed is part of the deal . . . gettin robbed ain't.

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Jean Lafitte, Apr 23, 2004

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Well said Laffite. I hope your stuff was insured.

Bengal B, Apr 23, 2004

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Saddam and Osama, NO REALTIONSHIP

Don't give me that crap that Saddam had no relationship with Al Qaida, because it is well documented that Saddam and Osama had an "arrangement", a very cozy relationship, and that their envoys met each other on more than several occasions.
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This is just out not true. In fact (When I say that, I actually come up with facts instead of assuming they "exsist".) it is the opposite.

In fact, the evidence suggests the opposite. Rohan Gunaratna, director of terrorism research at Singapore’s Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies is considered one of the world’s foremost experts on Al Qaeda and was afforded the opportunity to examine several thousand Al Qaeda documents and videos after Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan. Gunaratna “could not find any evidence of Al Qaeda links to Saddam Hussein or the Baghdad administration,” and the videos he watched “speak of [Saddam] as a real monster and not a real Muslim.”92
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92. This came was Quoted in Spencer Ackerman, “The Weakest Link,” Washington Monthly, November 2003, p. 18. (Which you have to buy off their website.)

Also, Al Qaeda thought of the Saddam's government as soo illegit that it was considered a government Al Qaeda should attack,

Despite President Bush’s assertion that “there’s no question that Saddam Hussein had Al Qaeda ties,”93 the reality is that, at most, both share a common hatred of the United States. That is hardly enough to make them allies or to warrant the conclusion that Hussein would give WMD to Al Qaeda. It is important to remember that Hussein was a Muslim secular ruler while bin Laden is a radical Muslim fundamentalist—their ideological views are hardly compatible. Indeed, Saddam Hussein’s regime was exactly the kind of government that bin Laden claims is illegitimate and would be a target for Al Qaeda. To the extent that bin Laden expressed any sympathy for Iraq, it was for the Iraqi people, not the regime in Baghdad.
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For example, an audiotape attributed to bin Laden released a month before the Iraq war describes Iraq as a “former capital of Islam” and says that Muslim resistance to American aggression “should not be for championing ethnic groups, or for championing the non- Islamic regimes in all Arab countries, including Iraq.”94 Intelligence analysts inside and outside the government have pointed out that bin Laden (if the voice on the tape was indeed bin Laden’s) went out of his way in the recording to show his disdain for Hussein and the Baath Party by referring to them as “infidels” and an “infidel regime” that should be aided only for the “sake of Allah.”95
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94. “Bin Laden Tape: Text,” BBC News online, February 12, 2003, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi /middle_east/2751019.stm.

95. Quoted in Dana Priest and Walter Pincus, “Bin Laden–Hussein Link Hazy,”

Washington Post, February 13, 2003, p. A20.

The texted quoted comes from http://http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa502.pdf

There is no soild proof that one or two individual terrorist that might have been in the country actually provide a clear link showing that Saddam was supporting Osama.

If you do say that there is a clear link to Osama Bin Ladden and the terrorist group Al Qeada, would you please provide them. Going upon what Bush has said is not enough alone, becuase we don't know what kind os shape the CIA is in right now.

Anybody who cares to see the proof can find it on the internet.
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I care, yet it seems pretty hard to find, after seeing what Bin Ladden has to say about Saddam himself and what the experts say also.

I am sorry about what happened to your stuff.

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TheKhaosProject, Apr 24, 2004

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TheKhaosProject said:

This is just out not true. In fact (When I say that, I actually come up with facts instead of assuming they "exsist".) it is the opposite.

92. This came was Quoted in Spencer Ackerman, “The Weakest Link,” Washington Monthly, November 2003, p. 18. (Which you have to buy off their website.)

Also, Al Qaeda thought of the Saddam's government as soo illegit that it was considered a government Al Qaeda should attack,

94. “Bin Laden Tape: Text,” BBC News online, February 12, 2003, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi /middle_east/2751019.stm.

95. Quoted in Dana Priest and Walter Pincus, “Bin Laden–Hussein Link Hazy,”

Washington Post, February 13, 2003, p. A20.

The texted quoted comes from http://http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa502.pdf

There is no soild proof that one or two individual terrorist that might have been in the country actually provide a clear link showing that Saddam was supporting Osama.

If you do say that there is a clear link to Osama Bin Ladden and the terrorist group Al Qeada, would you please provide them. Going upon what Bush has said is not enough alone, becuase we don't know what kind os shape the CIA is in right now.

I care, yet it seems pretty hard to find, after seeing what Bin Ladden has to say about Saddam himself and what the experts say also.

I am sorry about what happened to your stuff.

The Khaos Project

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Whether Saddam and Bin Laden were enemies or not it wouldn't be the first time that sworn enemies have worked together to cause harm to a perceived enemy greater than themselves, ie; the USA. It has been well known and documented for quite some time now that Muhammad Atta had meetings with an Iraqi intelligence agent in Spain prior to 9-11. Anybody who doubts that Saddam wouldn't have sold or given any kind of WMDs, whether it was nukes, chemical or biological agents to a terrorist group if he had thought they would be used to strike a blow against his hated enemy, us, is a fool and an idiot.

Bengal B, Apr 24, 2004

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Anybody who doubts that Saddam wouldn't have sold or given any kind of WMDs, whether it was nukes, chemical or biological agents to a terrorist group if he had thought they would be used to strike a blow against his hated enemy, us, is a fool and an idiot.
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Then why didn't he?

Your in a bind, ethier he does not have WMD's or he was not willing to give them to terrorists.

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TheKhaosProject, Apr 24, 2004

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Jean Lafitte said:

You talk like 9/11 never happened. Don't give me that crap that Saddam had no relationship with Al Qaida, because it is well documented that Saddam and Osama had an "arrangement", a very cozy relationship, and that their envoys met each other on more than several occasions. I don't have to prove anything to you, because I have seen the documentation with my own eyes. Anybody who cares to see the proof can find it on the internet.

Us military guys sign up with the knowledge that we might get our heads blown off by the enemy. So be it. Maybe I can get a few of them before they get me.

What I DIDN'T sign up for was to have mine and my wife's personal possessions stolen by thieves during our move when Uncle Sam is paying good money to movers to protect my wife's stuff (and mine). Gettin killed is part of the deal . . . gettin robbed ain't.

:cuss: :cuss:
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Not to make light of what happened to you and I regret it, but maybe the people who stole your stuff were hungry because their job(s) had been outsourced. Thank you for your service and may God bless and protect you.

I know how you feel because I was robbed and burglarized 5 times. To me it felt like how I would imagine a woman would feel after being raped. I take comfort in knowing that if the people are never caught they will face the ultimate judge and get their just deserts at a later time. But I don't wish that on them. Hopefully though they will have realized the errors of their ways and gotten straightened out and won't have to pay that ultimate penalty. I urge you to find it in your heart to forgive them. It makes it easier to deal with.

MiketheTiger69, Apr 24, 2004

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TheKhaosProject said:

Then why didn't he?

Your in a bind, ethier he does not have WMD's or he was not willing to give them to terrorists.

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Actually he is not in a bind. Who says he did not already? Also it took the Iraq war to find out about Libya. Do you really think anyone knows for sure how many WMDs, either actual or just how to make them, have been passed to anyone in the middle east?

For nearly two years, starting in 1996, the CIA monitored the al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan. The plant was known to have deep connections to Sudan's Military Industrial Corporation, and the CIA had gathered intelligence on the budding relationship between Iraqi chemical weapons experts and the plant's top officials. The intelligence included information that several top chemical weapons specialists from Iraq had attended ceremonies to celebrate the plant's opening in 1996. And, more compelling, the National Security Agency had intercepted telephone calls between Iraqi scientists and the plant's general manager.

Iraq also admitted to having a $199,000 contract with al Shifa for goods under the oil-for-food program. Those goods were never delivered. While it's hard to know what significance, if any, to ascribe to this information, it fits a pattern described in recent CIA reporting on the overlap in the mid-1990s between al Qaeda-financed groups and firms that violated U.N. sanctions on behalf of Iraq.

The clincher, however, came later in the spring of 1998, when the CIA secretly gathered a soil sample from 60 feet outside of the plant's main gate. The sample showed high levels of O-ethylmethylphosphonothioic acid, known as EMPTA, which is a key ingredient for the deadly nerve agent VX. A senior intelligence official who briefed

reporters at the time was asked which countries make VX using EMPTA. "Iraq is the only country we're aware of," the official said. "There are a variety of ways of making VX, a variety of recipes, and EMPTA is fairly unique."

That briefing came on August 24, 1998, four days after the Clinton administration launched cruise-missile strikes against al Qaeda targets in Afghanistan and Sudan (Osama bin Laden's headquarters from 1992-96), including the al Shifa plant. The missile strikes came 13 days after bombings at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania killed 257 people--including 12 Americans--and injured nearly 5,000. Clinton administration officials said that the attacks were in part retaliatory and in part preemptive. U.S. intelligence agencies had picked up "chatter" among bin Laden's deputies indicating that more attacks against American interests were imminent.
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David Kay, the former head of the coalition's hunt for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, yesterday claimed that part of Saddam Hussein's secret weapons programme was hidden in Syria.

In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph, Dr Kay, who last week resigned as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said that he had uncovered evidence that unspecified materials had been moved to Syria shortly before last year's war to overthrow Saddam.

"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved."
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Below are some of the articles that people have posted here about Saddam and terror (or from links within the articles). A couple of the issues in articles are after the war issues, and some are prewar and are need of a few updates in regards to WMDs. But there are actually a lot more here on this board. These were the ones I had saved. These do not really touch that much on planning to assassinate a former President or shooting at US planes or paying the families of suicide bombers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...25.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/01/25/ixnewstop.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...ml&sSheet=/portal/2003/12/14/ixportaltop.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp?pg=1

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,591420,00.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/396hflxy.asp

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/296fmttq.asp

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/238dkpee.asp

http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/hl819.cfm

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed101801a.cfm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12802

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5803

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7636

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8927

dallastigers, Apr 24, 2004

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TheKhaosProject said:

Then why didn't he?

Your in a bind, ethier he does not have WMD's or he was not willing to give them to terrorists.

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Maybe he doesn't have them because he already sold them or the ingrediants
to terrorists, I don't think he would give them away! :dis:
Money talks ask Saddam and your UN buddies!

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Not to make light of what happened to you and I regret it, but maybe the people who stole your stuff were hungry because their job(s) had been outsourced.
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So if people are stealing because thier out of work its ok?
And its Bush's fault everyone doesn't have work either right?

Sourdoughman, Apr 24, 2004

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Sourdoughman said:

Maybe he doesn't have them because he already sold them or the ingrediants
to terrorists, I don't think he would give them away! :dis:
Money talks ask Saddam and your UN buddies!

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Not to make light of what happened to you and I regret it, but maybe the people who stole your stuff were hungry because their job(s) had been outsourced.
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So if people are stealing because thier out of work its ok?
And its Bush's fault everyone doesn't have work either right?
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Good grief Sourdough, lighten up! You're getting like these humorless Okies!

MiketheTiger69, Apr 24, 2004

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