Priorities, Priorities - the Cindy Sheehan situation

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I know it's off-topic, but I too find it unusual that nobody ever mentions that teachers often work only 9 months for a 12-month paycheck.
     
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  2. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Why don't you use the same reasoning about Iraq and WMD's instead of
    taking cheap shots at the president and saying he lied?
    Its hindsight, anything about Clinton but Bush is a different story.
    Double standard?

    Everyone knows Iraq had WMD's at one time or another which brings to mind
    how could everyone's intelligence including the British be so wrong.
    Either they are hid there or they got them out of Iraq, we were nice enough
    to give them plenty of warning that we were going to come into Iraq.

    I agree with Chaos about the massive domestic spending, Homeland Security
    shouldn't have been created, Bush, because of the political climate accepted
    whatever they said and did it.
    All that was needed is to fix the problems left over by the Clinton Administration and whoever else, FBI talking to the judicial, state department.
    NONE of this makes any sense if you don't do anything about the borders.

    Red,
    Glad you brought up Richard Clarke, he looks more like a fool everyday from
    all the information surfacing about the Clinton Administration.
    Its hard to believe he was happy about the Clinton Administration doing practically nothing to fight terrorism.
    I hope your not going to bring up the same old arguments about Clinton was
    strong against terrorism because there is plenty of proof to the contrary.
     
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  3. Mystikalilusion

    Mystikalilusion Founding Member

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    Yes, because i'm sure most of the insurgents are sitting around in their spare time watching and listening to american media outlets. :thumb:

    That just made my day. (To be honest, I don't get out all that much though.)
     
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  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Damn, I can agree with much of this.

    I do feel that the insurgents are self-motivated, though. They aren't backing off because they aren't losing. Perhaps the 500,000 troops that the retired generals say were needed might have locked them down, but the force that we have there is hard-pressed to keep the lid on.

    Go in with everything we have or don't go in at all and never go in without an exit strategy was the Powell Doctrine. It served us well in the last fight with these guys. I wish George had listened to ol' Colin.
     
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  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Because he's still in office, still in charge, and could do something about it. Clinton is a historical argument. Bush is current events and currently responsible.

    "At one time or another'? Geez, Sourdough. When they were there is everything.

    In fact they were destroyed by ten years of UNSCOM inspectors before the war ever started. Saddam was bluffing and our own chief inspector, Scott Ritter warned everybody that they would not be found . . . and he turned out to be right.

    Examples? What does any of it have to do with Richard Clark? He was also a Bush administration official, you know.

    Already shot this one down. Did you even read my post?

    Then give us a list. I've already given you one that supports my argument.
     
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  6. TigerWins

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    This is the problem I have with Bush and the war planners. I keep hearing we have the proper troop level, but I simply don't believe it. I know nothing about conducting a war, but it's obvious to me that we can't stop these thugs from coming into Iraq. And when we go in and secure a location, they simply return as soon as we leave the area.

    Do whatever it takes to secure Iraq ... send more troops, get their military trained and deployed, and get the hell out.
     
    TigerWins, Aug 17, 2005
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  7. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I don't have to its all over the news on tv and in the newspapers.
    I guess you must ignore the news now days unless its about Bush?

    Tigerwins, we would have to secure the Iraqi borders to stop the terrorists
    and their bombs from entering.
    You can call them insurgents but not all of them are, Iran and Syria have
    something to say about having Iraq a democracy because they are threatened by this very existance.
     
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  8. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    Sure. But now he has information that actually opposes the Bush administration. That right there is enough to destroy any shred of credibility that he ever had. Don't you know that?

    :hihi: :hihi:
     
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  9. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Why,
    I do agree with George Bush on a lot of issues but some I think was just bad
    decisions.
    Does anyone here think we really needed the Department of Homeland Security instead of fixing the problem and use organizations that already exist
    to fight terrorism.

    Why is the answer to governments problems always more and bigger government by creating more bureaucracies?
    And your going after me because I want the borders secure?

    Geaux figure... :grin:
     
    Sourdoughman, Aug 17, 2005
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  10. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I just thought you'd be happy that I went after the someone on the right because it doesn't happen that often.
     
    Sourdoughman, Aug 17, 2005
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