Pete Carroll should be fired for a 10-2 season with all that TALENT

Who Cares?

This explains your meaningless thread, you are judging people at this board.
Fans will be fans, bad and good.
How do you determine a good one from a bad one when everyone has a different point of view?

I'm not for or against Miles but if everyone bitching about him all year was
right because we would've lost more games then they would have been
correct so that would make them good fans by your logic?

 

Did I say anything about who I think is a bad or good fan? Didn't think so, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that if you criticize Miles, then you are a bad fan. I freely admit that there are good and justified criticisms of Miles. I am giving my opinion that fans who want him fired after only two years are being premature. It doesn't matter to me what side of the fence you fall on, but if you think I'm "judging" you, that's too bad.

 

I apologize for saying what I did earlier.
I came here tonight to see all the talk about the Rose Bowl and us playing in
a bowl game thinking things would be positive.
Stumbled across your thread and I do believe your logic is wrong.
I'm also tired of this fan bashing stuff here, this forum use to be more fun
years ago IMHO!

1) A perfect example is what was Dinardo's record here after 2 years?
Dinardo was a winning coach here until his last 2 years if memory serves me right?
2) Comparing Miles to Carroll

These 2 reasons are why I think you are totally wrong here.
I could compare Dinardo to Carroll his first 2 years if I'm correct?
Then again how could you compare anyone to Pete Carroll with his record and
someone that has only been here 2 years?
I'm very skeptical of coaches until they prove me wrong after Dinardo!
Yes, from your first post and what you say above, sounds like you are judging
people.

I've never said anything about Miles being fired btw but I did hit the panic button during the Arizona St, Ole Miss games at some point.

 

It's cool, no hard feelings. Maybe I made the thread title more provocative than I intended. I didn't mean to compare two coaches' entire careers in this case. I'm simply going by the criteria under which a lot of ppl think Miles should be fired after this season:

1. CLM should be having 1-loss or undefeated teams due to superior talent after only 2 years.
2. CLM is squandering current talent with the close losses this year.

The point I was trying to make was:
1. USC didn't do that 2 years after their last title reign.
2. USC lost to teams with vastly inferior talent, while LSU lost to teams that were at least able to compete at LSU's talent level, if not able to truly surpass it.

Problem is, no one is suggesting Carroll should be fired so far, even though both teams have produced roughly the same results in terms of Ws and Ls over the past two years with equally talented teams (you can argue USC had the most talent of any team in college fb history in 2005.) Why? As you pointed out, he has a proven track record. But Miles hasn't been at LSU long enough to establish ANY kind of track record.

Believe me, I understand your Dinardo frustration. I started school at LSU as a freshman in 97. I was here at the end of the dark years, and I know how far this program has come. I'm also afraid of possibly losing what this team has accomplished. But keep in mind that during the Dinardo years, no one at LSU had NC expectations. Now, that's all that many fans think matters. I'm not here to judge whether that's necessarily a good or bad thing, but I do feel that sometimes it creates unrealistic expectations for coaches to live up to.

 

OK, I see where you are coming from here, above.
The really funny thing to me about this situation is when you look at Nick's last year here, it wasn't that great meaning the offense wasn't very good
when you look at the Oregan St, Troy St games etc, similar to some of this
years games.

If fans think that all that matters is winning a championship every year that is
a different story, unrealistic expectations is a consequence of being a top tier
program I'm afraid.
Fans will be fans whether they are good and bad and that could also depend
on the sport meaning some fans are more passionate for one sport over another.

Theres no doubt Less got this job knowing he had a hell of a lot of talent but
thats a double edged sword meaning expectations are much higher and having
to "replace" a St. Nick versus staying at Oklahoma State or equal school.

 

You're right on about this. The thing that comes to mind about the state of the LSU program is that it's kinda like the new Star Wars trilogy (prequels). By themselves, each of these movies definitely had their set of problems from casting to script to acting. But I've always wondered whether people would have been so harsh on the prequels had they not seen the original trilogy, which is the gold standard to which the new movies were compared even though the originals had their share of flaws also. Had the prequels stood on their own, they would have been declared phenomenal successess based on how much they grossed at the box office, but in the eyes of Star Wars fans, the prequels will always fall disappointingly short of the incredibly high bar set by the original movies, which I think is a little unfair. So in this analogy, Saban = original trilogy, Miles = prequels (so far).

Also true. Who knows? Miles may very well be in over his head at this job and could end up like Dinardo when the history books are written, but I just think it's way too early to come down on one side or the other just yet.