OK, I'm seeking out Democrats for some "deprogramming"...

My father just returned from a trip to Texas to celebrate his 1st anniversary with his 2nd wife, and he brought back Treason by Ann Coulter.

I got ahold of it this afternoon, and I read the first four chapters before logging on here...

I am totally apalled by the absolute ignorance of the Roosevelt administration, and actually puzzled to realize that indeed, Joseph McCarthy was not the pariah that he's made out to be.

I'll admit that Coulter paints a decidedly one sided picture, and perhaps uses more than broad strokes...but do any of the unabashed Democrats here actually refute what she says?

The fact that Roosevelt employed no less than a dozen Communists who were actually proven through the Verona cables to be actively and highly successfully involved in espionage is absolutely horrific.

That one of them was verifiably awarded a medal by the USSR while on the payroll from 9-5 for the US Government is amazing.

That the New York Times can so blindly turn its eye to the Verona Cables is totally beyond me. The absolute ignorance and outright subversiveness of the US Democratic Party in an attempt to suppress this information, to try to revise history, and actually rehabilitate and question the character of Alger Hiss is reprehensible.

The fact that FDR literally laughed at J. Edgar Hoover, Communist Defectors, as well as high ranking OSS officials that all implored him to search his staff and the government roles for security risks and subversive individuals is appalling.

That Alger Hiss was actually a close confidant of the POTUS at the Yalta conferences, where the POTUS gave away Poland to the USSR, and then affectionately referred to Stalin as "Uncle Joe" and said "To have a friend, one must be a friend." is beyond me...

I am seriously asking Democrats on this board to come and refute this information. Refute your parties history, and set the record straight. I have more questions, but anyone who can here and now come and refute this absolutely diabolical behavior by the Democractic Party please do so now...

It's absolutely unconscionable that any American out there who claims to have any ounce of patriotism can call themselves a "proud" member of the Democratic Party...and I say that with a totally straight face, and as a registered Indpendent.

 

The Democratic party then and the Democratic Party now are two totally different things.

Personally I take anything these sorts of writers say (even a Democrat like Al Franken) with a huge grain of salt. Homerism isn't just for football teams.

 

Spoken like a true conservative.

You might want to study the works of Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon before proclaiming moral superiority.

By the way, you should drop Max Cleland or John Kerry a line about patriotism once you unwrap yourself from the flag.

-A proud Democrat.

 

I originally typed a long resonse to this message.

Iko, predictably, took offense, as he believes it's okay for you to call us commies, but to toss it back in your face is unfair (that procedure comes straight from yall's right wing handbook).

Let me say three things

1)You should be ashamed of yourself for that post - calling us commies and questioning our patriotism. That particularly after your manical rantings and threats of lawsuits about something benign said to you. Disgraceful post, really.

2) If you want some intelligent discussion, please find a source other than a confirmed racist like coulter. You know my feelings on the likes of duke and the republican party's tacit approval, and coulter is no better.


3)Please stop insulting our intelligence by saying you are a non-partisan good government voter. After that post, it's obvious that you are nothing but a right wing idealogue.

 

Re: Re: OK, I'm seeking out Democrats for some "deprogramming"...

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JD, does Scelfo's failure make you this bitter?

I mean Bama is sucking this year but I do not approach your level of asinine posting. Of course, I can go to a Bama game and see more people in a day that pay to go to a Tulane game in a year.

 

Re: JD, does Scelfo's failure make you this bitter?

Like all right wingers, you have a double standard. He can call us commies - he can call us un-american - WHICH HE DID. But throw it back in his face, you claim foul. Typical, so typical.

Oh and that's what he's been doing since day 1 on this board. Talking about vote buying and crap like that UNTIL the very people he accused of selling votes endorsed Jindal. And you with the crowley mafia - it's only a mafia if the $5 grand goes to the candidate you don't like. It's incredible the way you guys operate.

Two sets of rules

You were flaming on the Tulane board yesterday. You should be proud of that. Your comparison of contracts is so inane that it, too, was nothing but a flame. LSU HAD PERFORMED and then VPI broke it v a contract that hadn't begun and using an exculpatory clause that georgia had put in (again, your double standard - it's okay for ga to use it) and after all that, they suffered no harm. That , as you well know, is all about Dooley's ego - Jones rejected him and then we snookered him and he didn't like it. Further, UCF broke a deal with us midway through; SMU broke one - we sued neither.

And then you, always pooh-poohing stupid lawsuits and lawyers keep ranting "you were sued" as if that in itself means anything.


I'm glad Alabama, with their 40,000 students, the graduates in obvious multiples, the politicians, etc draws a lot more than a small private school - that proves a lot. I'm glad you and so many others like to trash the 2nd largest employer in this city - real hip, real chic, makes you feel like a biiiiiiiggggg man. Walk proud, until someone hits you back, and you cry foul.

 

JD...I just asked for you to come and refute what the heck was going on at that time...

I didn't call you Communist, I said that the Democratic Party did those things, and made those mistakes, and then covered up for people...

I actually started out the post asking to be "deprogrammed" and admitted that I'm guessing she looks at those facts from a conservative angle...

If you wish to refute those things I spoke about, please do. I have every right to question the Patriotism of someone who will neither apologize nor admit that the party they are a member of is responsible for the acts in question.

JD, if you dislike the tone, the subject matter, or anything else, then instead of coming back with rhetoric, respond point by point about how I'm wrong-or what I've read is wrong-about what I've typed here tonight.

I have every right to question a Democrat's Patriotism. If you didn't know about those things that happened, I'll be the first to tell you that you should research them, and then come and rationalize the decisions at that time, as well as rationalize the reason why you are still a member of that Party.

Please, refute the points of the book that I mentioned here. Whether you believe it or not, I came here looking to get the other side of the coin. I know that Coulter is a shrill voice against liberals, and there has to be some rationalization for these things. I just didn't have retort handy, & I figured that you could shed some light on the situation...

If you don't like the tone, the subject matter, or the facts, then refute them with your own facts...I am waiting.

 

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lsubuzz...

In retort to me studying the works of Kissinger and Nixon, I think that they were in uncharted territory dealing with terms such as Mutually Assured Destruction, SALT, and other types of terminology, philosophy, and treaties. They did an amazing job of foreign policy work during difficult times, both with Russia and with China...

I'm also not here to claim that they were 100% perfect. I am just saying that most of what I've read (via liberal professors of History at LSU and La. Tech) is that they did more than adequate jobs in foreign policy, etc.

Specifically with Nixon, in regards to his time as a young Senator from California, he was the only one who kept the fire underneath Alger Hiss, and to be honest, he's the only one responsible for getting this guy away from the POTUS...

What did Roosevelt do after he was removed for "suspicion of espionage" even though J. Edgar Hoover actually had proof and leaned on FDR to throw the guy in the hole for out and out spying for the USSR?

He put him in the top US position in the IMF (International Monetary Fund)...

Whether or not "the parties are two different animals"...that's irrelevant in my mind...

I'm sure I could re-energize the Whig Party and appeal to more socially liberal and left of right Republican types to join independents and revive the party...But what purpose does it serve? It died out as Lincoln rose to prominence in the late 1850's...as the Republican Party replaced it...

The Republican Party replaced it because it appealed to more people, it embodied more contemporary ideology, and gained momentum as Stephen Douglass pushed his "Popular Sovreignty" down the throats of people who had yet to make up their mind on the issues of slavery that was becoming a huge national issue, and not just one that was swept under the rug in the Antebellum South.

Why didn't the Democratic Party die out after this egregious violation of the nation's very security? After an absolute total breakdown in which the Soviet Union infiltrated the US Government's Executive Branch all the way into the highest levels of our instrument of Government? It's obvious that the Party-through either lax leadership or those with weak wills who let a fascination with Communism lead them over the edge to outright espionage-totally broke down at that point, and should have been left for dead?

What kind of an excuse is it to say that "they're two different parties"?

I would want NO association with a party that was capable of such outright ignorance, stupidity, and subversion to our government.

I ask again....if ANY Democrat can refute the information I initially posted about, please do so now...I am willing to listen openly and honestly about any "tails" side of the coin that I've read the "heads" side of earlier this afternoon...

Please...Show me that the Democratic Party is not responsible for what this person's facts show...Please.