Hogwash. The military commanders have already stated that the occupation will not be "won" by military means. You should pay attention to Petraeus. The milestones you mention are not military milestones. The continuing republican confusion about what is a war and what isn't a war is part of the problem.
He's gotten to you I see. :hihi: Which is exactly why you cannot put a timetable on pulling the troops out of there. Give Barack his way and the last 5 years and 4000 lives will have been in vain. And I really don't care whether the decision to go in there was right or wrong. Living in the past might get you votes but it doesn't help what's going on in the here and now.
I've still yet to see ANYONE define a victory for Iraq. The problem is you think that a "victory" in Iraq will stop a small group of people from terrorizing others. Won't happen.
Why not? Petraeus says that withdrawing troops in 2009 is "doable". The Iraqi government says a 16-month timetable is about right. Some day those troops will have to come home. They have never been beaten and how you can call it "surrender" is beyond me. We can do it on our timetable and on our terms as Obama proposes or we can stay there indefinitely until the Iraqi government orders us to leave with our tail between our legs, as McCain proposes. The sacrifice of those troops and the squandering of a Trillion dollars of our money is a George W. Bush responsibility and you cannot spin that away.
Not spin. Fact. By the way, you should leave the money part out of that. It trivializes the sacrifice.
http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2008/09/29/daily37.html obama won debate according to those that matter most. "The latest in a series of surveys by the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute shows the Illinois senator with 50 percent support ... versus 42 percent for McCain. A poll of 1,203 Ohio voters from Sept. 22-26, the day before the debate, showed McCain holding support from 42 percent of prospective voters and Obama with 49 percent support. Results in two other key states were similar, showing Obama leading with 49 percent support before the debate and pulling to 50 percent afterward in Florida and Pennsylvania. Obama’s 51 percent to 43 percent edge in Florida represents a reversal of voter opinion, which had been stacked in favor of McCain by nearly the same margin in early September. In Ohio, about 64 percent of those surveyed watched Friday’s televised debate. Of those who watched, 49 percent said Obama fared better, versus 33 percent for McCain."
