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Nuestro Himno: are you offended by a Spanish-spangled Banner?

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Rex Founding Member

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I have to confess that I am. There is no greater impediment to harmony in our country than a language barrier.

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Rex, Apr 28, 2006

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BlackJack said:

I better go buy some lottery tickets. We agree on something.

The push for American children to learn Spanish for the past 40 years has been one of the most most successful and monumental brainwashings of the Left.

How much of Sesame Street is devoted to the attempt of trying to teach Spanish?

English is now the world's language. It is the most widely learned and used second language in the world. It is the language of our Constitution. Attempting to make Spanish the 2nd language of the United States only divides the country.

Having two languages is divisive. Everyone speaking one language is unitive. The early immigrants to the country all learned English. It has been a huge mistake not demanding Mexican immigrants learn English. Instead this country has been brainwashed by left-wing academics that it is somehow our responsibility to bend over backwards to speak their language.

We're told time and time again how rude American tourists are for expecting people in other countries to speak English when visiting over there but somehow we're expected to speak Spanish to Mexican immigrants over here.

It's time Americans put our foot down and say no to Spanish. We are only hurting our country and the Mexican immigrants who come here by expecting anything less than their learning English. If you want to be part of America, learn English.
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ditto. I couldn't agree more.

TigerKid05, Apr 28, 2006

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A simple translation would be no big deal. I've read the English lyrics to Les Marsellaise and now I know what the French are singing. Spanish translations of the Star Spangled Banner lyrics have long been available. Let them know what we are singing.

But this record is clearly a direct shot at Americans. It's a campaign to play it on American Spanish-language stations for clear political action purposes. Check out the lyrics from the remix that will be relased on Spanish language radio in June.

LINK: Spanish "Star Spangled Banner" Draws Ire

Associated Press

"The initial version of "Nuestro Himno," or "Our Anthem," comes out Friday and uses lyrics based closely on the English-language original, said Kidron, who heads the record label Urban Box Office.

Pro-immigration protests are planned around the country for Monday, and the record label is urging Hispanic radio stations nationwide to play the cut at 7 p.m. EDT Friday in a sign of solidarity.

A remix to be released in June will contain several lines in English that condemn U.S. immigration laws. Among them: "These kids have no parents, cause all of these mean laws ... let's not start a war with all these hard workers, they can't help where they were born."

It's an bad mistake, like the Mexican flags they were flying at protests last month, demanding to be Americans. And there will be a backlash.

red55, Apr 28, 2006

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BlackJack said:

The push for American children to learn Spanish for the past 40 years has been one of the most most successful and monumental brainwashings of the Left.
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Yes. Learning is always bad. Don't listen to the liberals!!!

Everyone speaking one language is unitive.
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Just so long as it's our language, eh?

The early immigrants to the country all learned English.
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No, they didn't.

It has been a huge mistake not demanding Mexican immigrants learn english
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We've never demanded anyone learn english. This country has no official language.

CParso, Apr 28, 2006

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BlackJack said:

The push for American children to learn Spanish for the past 40 years has been one of the most most successful and monumental brainwashings of the Left.

How much of Sesame Street is devoted to the attempt of trying to teach Spanish?

English is now the world's language. It is the most widely learned and used second language in the world. It is the language of our Constitution. Attempting to make Spanish the 2nd language of the United States only divides the country.
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Actually its more lke the last five years. Children used to get spanked for speaking non-English in schools. The results were the near extinction of Cajun-French and the Indian languages. Thats real good for America.

For the record most early government documents were in French, and this is true through the Civil War. Should Americans of that time have spoken fluent French?

BlackJack said:

Having two languages is divisive. Everyone speaking one language is unitive. The early immigrants to the country all learned English. It has been a huge mistake not demanding Mexican immigrants learn English. Instead this country has been brainwashed by left-wing academics that it is somehow our responsibility to bend over backwards to speak their language.
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You are so off-base here its laughable. Immigrants to this country usually do not learn english, their children do, and their grand children tend to speak only English.

During the Irish immigration there was a widespread panic in the Northeast that Gaelic wold overtake English, the same thing happened in the 20s with the Slavic languages. It didn't happen then, and it won't happen now. Even the in Miami the Spanish speaking population is declining.

For the record there were more Dutch newspapers in the mid-west than English ones up to WWII. St. Louis was not a majority English speaking community until the turn of the 20th century.

There have been times in this country when more public schools taught in German than English.

Learn the country's language history before you spout off about a situation.

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It's time Americans put our foot down and say no to Spanish. We are only hurting our country and the Mexican immigrants who come here by expecting anything less than their learning English. If you want to be part of America, learn English.
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This is the same alarmist BS the Irish and Slavic immigrations created. It didn't happen then. It won't happen now. In three generations Spanish will be an afterthaught. The thaught that immigrants should learn English is political alarmist BS. Just relax.

LSUsupaFan, Apr 28, 2006

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Historically, a way to weaken a country has been to dilute the commonality of the people. Babylon, Rome, USA?

And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the sons of men had built. And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; and nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down, and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."
So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the earth, and they left off building the city. Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of the earth. - Genesis 11.

Deceks7, Apr 28, 2006

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bayareatiger If it's too loud YOU'RE TOO OLD

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LSUsupaFan said:

In three generations Spanish will be an afterthought.
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In LESS than three generations the Hispanics, due to the fact that they are the most prolific ethnic people, will become the majority in the good ol' USA.

Whatta think about THAT ?

bayareatiger, Apr 28, 2006

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A. It wouldn't bother me in the least.

B. The immigration will slow over the next 20 years. We are seeing such a huge wave now because Mexico is coming off a baby boom. In 1968 the average Mexican family had 7 kids. Now its down to 2 which is comparable to the US. The slowed population growth will be likely make Mexico a better place to live. The middle class in Mexico is exploding right now. High wage jobs will continue to grow, and immigration will not be a necessity.

LSUsupaFan, Apr 28, 2006

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i actully prefer spanish.

martin, Apr 28, 2006

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BlackJack said:

I never said learning was bad. The idea that it is American's responsibility to learn Spanish instead of the other way around is. It's a part of left-wing academics and "multi-culturalists". The reason America is so great and the reason people are storming our borders to get in is because of the society we've built. Our culture. A common language is how people in a society communicate. If everyone is speaking a different language there can't be much communication can there?
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Supa & I already had this conversation with someone. Our language doesn't unite us, our common commitment to freedom & America does. We've never forced a language on immigrants before, and it has worked it's self out. Why? Because they learn it on their own. Us learning their language is not a bad thing, it can only help open the lines of communication.

It's means ridding ourselves of this guilty white American complex that tells people to try and speak Spanish when dealing with the Mexicans we come into contact with every day instead of rightfully expecting them to speak and understand English.
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Why should we demand it? I don't care what language they speak. It is to their advantage to learn it in order to get a job and be more productive, but if they don't want to - why do you care?

I don't begrudge anyone who wants to become an American and part of our culture. Those are the people who want to learn English and the customs and traditions of America. It's the illegals who just want to take advantage of our economic system and our social services and send the money back to Mexico that I have a problem with. To those I say FU.
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I suspect there are relatively few of those. For the most part, mexicans are productive assets to our economy - even the illegals.

Maybe we should not demand they conform to our culture. Then in 50 years the United States will be run just like Mexico. Sounds great huh?
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We don't have to demand it, they will do it on their own. That's the point. They will adapt to it because it will allow them & their children to better be a part of this great country.

CParso, Apr 28, 2006

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