Anybody ever read articles written by Michael Yon? Certainly not what is in the main stream media. Thoughts? http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/bread-and-a-circus-part-i-of-ii.htm
I find it fascinating that no one has commented on this topic. According to some who claim that the war is lost and that we are involved in Iraq's civil war, well then, this guy and everyone to do with this article must be lying including the soldiers involved. Just another example that you can't support the war, or winning the war and still support the troops. This is something you would never hear about on any news other than a conservative news network if then. The left and their news supporters are so hell bent on us losing this war its unbelievable.
The notion that positive developments in Iraq are not covered by the mainstream media is stupid. A quick search of CNN, MSNBC, or any other purported liberal network will turn up a plethora of stories on positive developments. Hell NPR (which some claim to be the most liberal news network) had a story on morning addition THIS MORNING about all the schools being built in Iraq, and how the overwhelming majority of these schools are providing great educational benefits that were not possible in pre-invasion Iraq. The existence of positive developments does not mean that the objectives of the Bush administration are obtainable or the strategy is working. It clearly is not. The overall picture of Iraq is being conveyed very accurately, and any returning soldier or Marine will tell you such.
This is news to me! When did they start covering the good in Iraq? I quit watching the news because all they cover is the negatives in our society and Iraq. There is nothing more depressing than watching the news in this country! Maybe not but just because the democrats, liberals and anyone else would tell you the war is lost, Iraqs in civil war doesn't mean they are correct either. The one thing that is correct is that our enemies in Iraq use our and their newsmedia to their advantage and that includes the democrats calling for troop withdrawls and those that say the war is lost. You can only blame Bush for so much, we have policy problems but those that stand on tv with their talking points, bush is hitler and the war is lost are just as responsible as bush, provided comfort and support to the enemy even if they didn't mean too. I really don't think I would agree with your last statement about marines. It would depend on their viewpoint.
The war is not lost. We won the war 4 years ago. Why are we still there? We can stay in Iraq as long as we want, and they have no means to drive us out. What do we lose by leaving? The news media does not create policy problems for the simple reason that they do not create policy. The failure of our nation building in Iraq stands on the shoulders of one man. He sent our military in with no way out. He knew going in that no exit stratgey existed. He let his cronies convince him that one would develop. I have talked to many friends in the corps and many Marines at airports while traveling. The consistent thing they say is that they can accomplish any mission set out if the plan for success is there. Most of the ones I talk to do not feel like that plan has been laid out yet.
You tell that to the liberals and the newsmedia that you cited above. They all say the war is lost. How did you not hear that part? Some would say American Imperialism.:wink: We are there because America invades countries when it has to but Americans are good because we leave them better off than before we arrived except Vietnam. Everything, all nations and enemies around the world would then realize what OBL said was true, we would be a paper tiger that cuts and runs when times get tough. Keep in mind the dems aren't going to pull us out of Iraq. They have said it time and time again so its a mute point. Joe Biden said the other day we are there until at least 2009. I didn't say that it wasn't Bush's fault but you are dead wrong if you think the newsmedia don't play a role as well as politicians on tv saying the war is lost. Look at the propaganda put out on all networks by Al Qada as example. You would have to be ignorant to not realize all of those who oppose the war in Iraq aren't shown in other parts of the world, Al Jazeera, etc. I find it hard to believe that we don't have any plans for success there since we have done this kind of thing over and over since the beginning of time, Germany, Japan, South Korea, Panama to name a few. I don't think myself, Red, Houtiger, you or anyone else is smarter than those who went to Westpoint and are in charge of military operations. I think the dumbass politicians get in the way on both sides of the aisle but I give the edge to the dems and their outragous statements.
It's very easy to throw around terms like "win" and "lose" when the parameters for success have not been established. But such a discussion generally goes beyond the soundbite attention span of most news consumers. The same can be said for whether objectives have been acheived. It's impossibly difficult to report on progress toward such objectives when they haven't been either determined or communicated.
They have all along, there just isn't much of it and it pales in comaprison to the bad news. This explains a lot. The war was won in 21 days! The occupation is unwinnable, Even the active generals tell us that. People still maintain we can have victory, but not one of them can tell me what "victory" will consist of. There is no army to defeat and the Iraqis will keep killing each other and us as well until they eventually work out their diferences or kill one side off. That ain't our job. Evrybody does this in a modern conflict. American propaganda in the middle east dwarfs what they do in return. Well, you can go over the cliff with Bush if you want to, but the democrats, the moderate independents, and increasing numbers of republicans are not going to let him take the United States of America over with him. Blind obedience to an incompentent leader and mindless adherence to failed policies is a recipe for disaster. Flag-waving no longer hides the fiasco of this administration. We can blame Bush for every single one of his decisions and for the consequences of them.
Tell that to the democrats and Harry Reid who have said the war is lost. I wish for once your side and people you support like the dems and libs would get their story straight. Disagree, no one uses the media quite like Al Qada and the middle east. Another example is Saddam's government during the war in which it was explained that America was losing the war then like we suppose to now. Keep in mind the democratic congress ratings are lower than Bush, what a disaster the dems are in charge of congress. Look at the way you attacked bush over the years, talking about ratings etc and then you totally ignore congress, dems in power? What is wrong with this picture? You have always said that you criticize those in power well here is your chance to prove that you are moderate. we know you already do and yet the democrats don't get any blame for anything. we know your game here, nice comment on the article.
Oh yes we do! Voice of America Radio Sawa Radio Martà Radio Free Europe Radio Free Afghanistan Broadcasting Board of Governors Our government propaganda budget is huge and worldwide. This doesn't even count the worldwide cable news channels that are American. I have no idea what you are trying to say. Who do you think you are fooling? The Republican Congress approval ratings were even worse last year. Currently, the democrats in Congress have a 44% aproval rating, down from 54% for failing to curb the "surge" in Iraq. The republicans in Congress rate 36%. LINK Bush has had seven years and can have things his way, Congress has had seven months and must deal with internal politics. I don't have to prove a damn thing. Congress is moving in the right direction at last, despite republican opposition. I'll criticize them when they deserve it, not to prove something to you. My game is to make observations and then back them up with evidence. Your game is to defend the republicans no matter how bad they perform.
