Were the Cardinal's responsible for the Inquisition not christian. The crusades were not to fend off invading Muslims... Pilgrims resented the fact that sites holy to Christianity were not controlled by Christians, and they were easily whipped into a state of agitation and hatred towards Muslims. Thus giving Leaders cause to kill and plunder. Humans are cruel creatures just like every other animal in the world... we just find more effective ways to hurt each others (due to our cognitive thought).
I understand, but by that logic the WTC bombers are not muslims as well, because the Koran forbids murder of the innocent. I think that's just semantics. My point is that people of any religious background can produce among them people who are evil.
so all major religions are peaceful and people who kill for the religion are not really religious? since when are we the authority on "true" muslims, or "true" anything. if people claim they are a certain religion, then they are. they might interpret it different than you do, but since the whole thing is made up nonsense, any interpretation is just as good as any other. since religion is a matter of faith and not reality, people can have faith in literally anything and thats just as legit as whatever you believe.
Once again, you've very conveniently left out evidence that doesn't support your side, Red. Not a very honest way to debate. http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html This site includes everything that supports what you say...but also shows THIS side of the coin: Quotes Establishing Hitler's Non-Christianity Hitler may in public have claimed to be doing the will of God, but records of his private conversations show otherwise. Many of these were recorded by his secretary and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953). I have lifted the text of these from the soc.religion.christian newsgroup's Hitler FAQ. Night of 11th-12th July, 1941 "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... "Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7) 10th October, 1941, midday "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43) 14th October, 1941, midday "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... "Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... "...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... "Christianity <is> the liar.... "We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52) 19th October, 1941, night "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity." 21st October, 1941, midday "Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... "The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... "Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65) 13th December, 1941, midnight "Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>.... "When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119) 14th December, 1941, midday "Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... "Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120) 9th April, 1942, dinner "There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339) 27th February, 1942, midday "It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie." "Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278) In any event, prove, schmoove. True adherents to Christianity are known by their actions. If you can't see that Adolf Hitler's actions amount to an inherent renunciation of his faith, then you have very little understanding of the teachings of Christ.
It is a true statement in response to earlier ones, . . . you just don't like it. If you have nothing to contribute to the topic, that is OK. But crying foul because you don't like the subject is childish. This is a forum for discussion, Einstein. If discussion bothers you, maybe you need find yourself another forum. Talk about stupid.
Actually that's exactly the way to conduct a debate. It's your job to illustrate evidence for the other side. And you've done just what I asked for. You've listed evidence that supports your thesis and cited sources. Unlike some others around here, you back up what you say. Whether I agree with you or not, I respect the opinions of someone who responds appropriately, G-Man. I am aware that Hitler made contradictory remarks about Christianity and that was aluded to in my post. But my point still stands--Hitler never renounced his own Christianity. More importantly, he was baptised a Catholic and was never excommunicated, so officially, he was a Christian. Yes, In most cases. I never thought that Hitler was a true adherent to Christianity, that was actually my point. That a man raised as a Christian in a Christian country with millions of Christian followers can turn out to be hideously evil.
Making a statement that you know is going to offend people just to be contrary isn't exactly mature either.
I understand what you are saying, FT, I just don't believe it's entirely true. The Crusades were Christians committing violence in the name of Christianity, so was the Spanish Inquisition. More recently in Northern Ireland, Christians still commit violence in the name of God. Christians are humans and imperfect and there are many who fail to follow the teachings of Christ in this regard. Christ knew this or there would have been no need for him to die for the sins of others. I wholly agree that Muslims commit violence in the name of Islam much more frequently. Mohammad promoted the idea of Jihad to achieve the spread of Islam around the world. This is the great failing of that religion that brings them into conflict with all others.
