Louisiana/Federal government Conference Calls made public.

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  1. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Hours of hurricane preparation conference calls were made public and can be heard on NPR.org. You can really tell where the ball was dropped in listening to these. From as early as 7:30 Monday morning FEMA was promising to have food and water into the city in 10-12 hours. They repeat this promise throughout the calls.


    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4859329
     
  2. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Thats why the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security wouldn't let the Red Cross
    in which happens to be part of FEMA.
    Thats why all those people went without food and water, because the state wouldn't
    let them into NO,
    The state wanted the people to get the hell out of NO even though they had no way
    to get out and sure wouldn't provide them food in the Superdome or outside.
    They didn't have the security to drop food and water nor did they want to because
    they were afraid the people wouldn't leave NO.
    They sure didn't have the security established for the Superdome either.

    Why do you constantly blame the Feds for everything while ignoring that the state
    and local officials dropped the ball?

    NPR? Do you believe that is an honest source?
    I trust the Red Cross and other organizations before I'd take NPR's word for anything.
    Its funny that we've had all these hurricanes in Florida, Texas, the 9-11 disaster
    and Louisiana is the "only" place that had these bad problems.
    We had four hurricanes in Florida last year and they didn't have this problem.

    That should tell you something my friend.
    In closing, yes, Fema needed new leadership and got it.
    Blame the 9-11 commission and Bush for making FEMA part of Homeland Security.
    The worse thing Bush ever did was taking the 9-11 commssions advice on anything.

    You might want to Nagin to shut his trap because he's starting to look stupid.
    He wanted everyone to get their asses down to NO.
    Then the Dems and Repubs wanted better leadership for FEMA and got it.
    The mayor lets citizens back into the city while the new FEMA leader objects.
    The mayor says he is the only mayor in NO?

    Who wants to take up for people like that, I don't get it!
    Please let me know if NPR ever criticizes any state or local officials in Louisiana, they probably will in Texas.

    NPR is a liberal organization they will play politics only here just like Robert
    Kennedy Jr did.
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Where do you get this. The Red Cross is a private organization and not a part of FEMA. It is funded by American citizens through private donations.

    There was food and water for the 10,000 who sought shelter at the dome for 24 hours. Federal aid was expected after that initial period. If you had listened to the calls you would know that. No one counted on an extra 190,000 people showing up.

    Firstly NPR is an excellant news source. Some of their affiliate stations have a liberal lean, but others are very conservative. None of the huricanes that hit Florida, even if combined did the damage Katrina did. The damage from 9/11 was contained to a about 10 blocks of one city. Katrina did damage from NOLA to Mobile. Texas had absolutely terrible evacuation problens. Hundreds of thousands were stranded on interstates running out of gas. Rita's eastern turn saved alot of lives because Texas was not prepared for this storm.



    NPR did not criticize anyone they just put several hours of conference calls between state, local, and federal officials on their web site. You may want to listen to them before you get all defensive.
     
  4. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Once again! ;)

    http://www.fema.gov/fema/first_res.shtmState and Local Guide (SLG) 101: Guide for All-Hazard Emergency Operations Planning
    This guide outlines the preparedness, response and short-term recovery planning components that FEMA recommends be included in state and local emergency operations plans. It offers FEMA's best judgment and recommendation on how to handle the entire planning process. It also encourages emergency managers to address all the hazards that threaten their jurisdictions in a single operations plan rather than stand-alone plans.


    Comprehensive HazMat Emergency Response-Capability Assessment Program (CHER-CAP)
    CHER-CAP is a comprehensive preparedness program offered by FEMA to local communities and Tribal governments to address HazMat incidents. It is designed to help communities better understand HazMat risks, identify planning deficiencies, update plans, train first responders and identify systemic strengths and needed improvements.


    Federal Response Plan
    A signed agreement among 27 federal departments and agencies, and the American Red Cross, that provides the mechanism for coordinating delivery of federal assistance and resources to augment efforts of state and local governments overwhelmed by a major disaster or emergency.
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    Who are the Emergency Managers for each state and local government?
    I'm not saying the Feds didn't screw up their part but I disagree with you that the
    Feds screwed things up more than the local and state government.

    http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524
    Check out what the Red Cross has to say about getting aid to the people of NO.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Sourdough. Amigo. You really, really need to get the facts right
    First of all Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness did not do that. The agency that temporarily restricted non-police and military people from the dangerous and flooded city was the US Department of Homeland Security. A federal agency. Looters were shooting at people and the steets were flooded. They were trying to move the people out to safe areas where the Red Cross was set up rather than the other way around. Why is this so hard to understand?

    Secondly, The Red Cross is not and has never been a federal agency, much less part of FEMA. The Red Cross is much older than FEMA and is entirely private.

    Nope, it was the federal agency in charge, FEMA. Headed by a Bush appointed political crony with no experience in emergency management. It was a state and local failure that evacuation transportation was inadequate and the shelters were overfull. The failure of FEMA to get the promised supplies to the shelters was a federal responsibility.

    You just indicted the feds with your own allegations! Everybody knows that the federal, state,and local officials all bear blame. But it is FEMA that blew the relief effort and it was DHS that you refer to above. Why do you wrongly blame the state and city for federal failures?

    NPR is an award-winning source and entirely credible.

    On the Red Cross, If you are referring to this newspaper story: Homeland Security won't let Red Cross deliver food Let me point out the key statements:

    "The Homeland Security Department has requested and continues to request that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler, spokeswoman for the Red Cross. ...

    Though frustrated, Hosler understood the reasons. The goal is to move people out of an uninhabitable city, and relief operations might keep them there. Security is so bad that she fears feeding stations might get ransacked.

    "It's not about fault and blame right now. The situation is like an hourglass, and we are in the smallest part right now. Everything is trying to get through it," she said. "They're trying to help people get out."

    Give us an example. I don't know what you are referring to. The 9/11 Commission recommendations made a hell of a lot of sense.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    OK. Here are the key phrases.

    Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

    The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall.

    The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access.

    We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.

    As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met.
     
  7. LSUsupaFan

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    Sougherdough listen to the calls. In one of them a FEMA representative asks Walter Maestri if he has made his request through E-TEAM, which is the online tool for OEP and city managers to make requests for aide from FEMA. Maestri says they have made their request. The FEMA rep then asks Nagin if New Orleans has made their request. Nagin replies that their E-TEAM system is down and they cannot make the request, but they do need aide. The FEMA rep replies that they will work to get the system up so New Orleans can make their request. Rediculous.
     
  8. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    First of all I never saw the article in the paper you are referring too.
    If you guys would've read the links I've provided time and time again
    you would've realized what I was referring too.

    If you go to the Red Cross website, the link I have provided you would
    realize we have a conflict of statements here:

    Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

    The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

    The Red Cross shares the nation’s anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.
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    http://www.loep.state.la.us/homeland/

    http://www.newshounds.us/2005/09/07...t_louisianas_homeland_security_department.php
    I wll have to challenge the news article you provided, meaning maybe
    the author of it is trying to blame the Feds or they got their information flat wrong.

    Which one is wrong the Red Cross or the Post Gazette?
    I don't know.

    As far as my statement about the 9-11 commission.
    It was a bad idea including FEMA inside Homeland Security.
    It was also a bad idea to follow the 9-11 commissions advice and have the Department
    of Homeland Security.
    Since when is bigger government an answer to everything when all we had to
    do is correct the dots and fix the problems that existed.
    Bigger government is Never better and certainly less efficient!
     
  9. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Yes, the Feds screwed up and the head of FEMA took the fall for that!
    OK, if you are correct along with the article.
    Please let me know if National Public Radio ever has anything like this
    on the local and state officials in Louisiana.

    I have a problem when people ignore the blunders of local and state governments and blame the Feds for everything.
    If the governor and mayor would've followed their evacuation plans and
    procedures this whole thing wouldn't have been as bad as it was.

    The governor of the state of Louisiana didn't emmobilize all of the Louisiana
    National Guard.
    FEMA says at their website that they are responsible for assisting local and
    state efforts, this includes the Red Cross btw.
    Since Blanko didn't emmobilized 65% of the Louisiana National Guard that
    was available there wasn't much rescuing going on in NO.
    Thats why people were stuck there for days until the military came to the
    rescue.

    Yes, once again, FEMA was responsible but If you go read the evacuation
    plan and procedures for NO you will see who else also dropped the ball.

    You guys should be happy Mike Brown took the fall.
     
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    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    http://www.newshounds.us/2005/09/07...t_louisianas_homeland_security_department.php

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46224

    http://www.lawandterrorism.com/posts/1126152186.shtml

    http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/08/004243.php

    Head of the Red Cross Points Finger at Louisiana's Homeland Security Department
    On last night's O'Reilly Factor (9-6-05) American Red Cross president Marsha "Marty" Evans repeated the reason the Red Cross did not go into New Orleans that is published on their official website. She claimed that Louisiana's State Homeland Security Department refused to allow the Red Cross into New Orleans because LA-DHS felt that the presence of the Red Cross "would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city." Neither she nor the website gave the name of the head of that department, but it was easily obtained on the website of the Department of Homeland Security in Washington.

    I've been giving u the links to the Red Cross's official website thinking
    they aren't going to play politics.
    I've given it all this time so read it if you wish.

    Maybe we need transcripts from the O'Reilly Factor?
    What next?
     

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