Like I said, wiretaps aren't the first

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  1. LsuCraig

    LsuCraig Founding Member

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    bahahahahahaha. Oh, this Bush is a tyrant man. bahahahahaha

    http://drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

    Clinton, February 9, 1995: "The Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order"

    WASH POST, July 15, 1994: Extend not only to searches of the homes of U.S. citizens but also -- in the delicate words of a Justice Department official -- to "places where you wouldn't find or would be unlikely to find information involving a U.S. citizen... would allow the government to use classified electronic surveillance techniques, such as infrared sensors to observe people inside their homes, without a court order."

    Deputy Attorney General Jamie S. Gorelick, the Clinton administration believes the president "has inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches for foreign intelligence purposes."

    Secret searches and wiretaps of Aldrich Ames's office and home in June and October 1993, both without a federal warrant.

    Jimmy Carter Signed Executive Order on May 23, 1979: "Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order."
     
  2. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    Next! :hihi:

    Good ole' Drudge.
     
  3. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    Glad you finally are able to admit that.:hihi:

    I've said all along, unrestricted access is nothing new. They've always been able to get to whomever they pleased, whenever and wherever they pleased.
     
  4. LsuCraig

    LsuCraig Founding Member

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    I know you did and I did too. People were making this into some kind of impeachment deal.
     
  5. LsuCraig

    LsuCraig Founding Member

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    Court cases that backup the President's and past President's authority to authorize wiretaps without a warrant.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0512210142dec21,0,3553632.story?coll=chi-newsopinioncommentary-hed

    In the most recent judicial statement on the issue, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, composed of three federal appellate court judges, said in 2002 that "All the ... courts to have decided the issue held that the president did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence ... We take for granted that the president does have that authority."

    The passage of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in 1978 did not alter the constitutional situation. That law created the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that can authorize surveillance directed at an "agent of a foreign power," which includes a foreign terrorist group. Thus, Congress put its weight behind the constitutionality of such surveillance in compliance with the law's procedures.
     
  6. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    i was gonna comment on this when you brought it up before but I thought it was known. I didnt read the above but Im assuming its about the law allowing wiretaps for the mob?

    thats part of the patriot act that had to update the laws since as it stood, taps werent allowed for terriorists under the previous wording.

    maybe i should read the above but im lazy.
     
  7. LsuCraig

    LsuCraig Founding Member

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    Yeah I wrote in another post that this had been going on since the 60s against the mob.

    The Patroit Act thing is probably right. But Clinton's deputy Attorney General Gorelik's argument was and Bush's is too that under his Constitutional obligation to protect the homeland, he has the inherent right to wiretap and surveil any US citizen suspected of foreign espionage. And from my other post about the courts, it has been upheld again and again.
     
  8. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    You should know by now never to automatically take anything Drudge posts as truth. Drudge lies often, and he did so in this case.

    Clinton did NOT order wiretaps without warrants.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/drudge-fact-check

    What Drudge says:

    Clinton, February 9, 1995: “The Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order”

    What Clinton actually signed:

    Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) [50 U.S.C. 1822(a)] of the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance] Act, the Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section.

    That section requires the Attorney General to certify is [U[the search will not involve “the premises, information, material, or property of a United States person.”[/U] That means U.S. citizens or anyone inside of the United States.
     
  9. LsuCraig

    LsuCraig Founding Member

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    The NSA BROKE INTO Ames house and planted bugs. They monitored him with infared inside his home and he was arrested for spying dealing with foreign intelligence.
     
  10. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Eavesdropping without a warrant is how they nailed Edwin.
     

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