Socialism has failed in the past and will fail in the future. Examples are pubic schools, speaking of which schools are suppose to teach kids and yet teachers unions benefit the teacher not the kid. VA, Veterans hospital, my wife is a veteran, her dad was a veteran also btw and yet she wants no part of the VA, she's gone their before but since she got Anthem, she will never go back as long as we have insurance. Please, don't ever call a VA and try and talk to someone, you'll get a person with attitude. Don't forget also about the conditions found at VA hospitals! Welfare is failing, look at all the families destroyed by welfare. A lot of homes don't need a father figure or income because of this. Social Security is next! Post Office? Shall I go on??? Is there anywhere where socialism has succeeded? You would think people would wise up and realize this stuff doesn't work but I guess what they are voting for is something for nothing!
Great points Sourdoughman. Goverment checks replaced wage earning fathers many years ago. The out-of-wedlock childbirth rates in these communities (and yes, that means the white trash people too with a kid on each hip and "smoke" hanging out her mouth) has gone from about a third to over 70%. If anyone disputes this, I will dig for the link, but I know it's close to these numbers.
While working class families and families living on minimum wage are fighting to stay above the poverty line and keep their families from turning to the dark side. As a society we can't afford to leave lower middle class and the working impoverished behind.
So are you calling for more or less welfare here? If you have a family and are only making minimum wage, isn't that probably because of choices you made? Doesn't freedom also mean you have the freedom to fail, not freedom from the consequences of bad choices? Where in the constitution does it say that the role of government is benevolence? Isn't that the role of the family and the church? Would people give more of their own money to people who CAN'T provide for themselves if they were not being forced to be charitable through taxation? I don't know the answer to this one, but I believe (and hope) that I would.
The standard of living for working class families is falling and I really don't think it is because of welfare or other domestic spending as much as it has to do with overseas spending and bad decisions by government in general. I'm not calling for more welfare as much as I am calling for less spending overseas and more dedication to domestic issues. We've spent hundreds of billions, maybe trillions, overseas lately, at the cost of stability at home. Bad economic policy is also a culprit. I think blaming welfare is more looking to fix a symptom and not the true illness. I don't know about you, but I've felt the pinch of our wavering economy. Of course, I'm in Florida, which is in the midst of a bona fide recession.
We're on the same page here. My wife was laid off recently, and gas prices have caused me to go down to a 4 day work week. I don't agree with this administration's fiscal policies at all. I don't blame them for our plight (the gas problem has taken decades to screw up), but must admit that I get aggravated when I see how much I pay in taxes, then see how many live off the system. I agree that this is one spoke in the wheel, but it's the one that is most visible to me here in Georgia.
It annoys me to see people take advantage of the system, but we can't deny that as a society we failed black folks up to 30-40 years ago, and while that has been slowly changing, we are not beyond it. These are fellow Americans that have grown up in as close to un-American circumstances as I can imagine, and these overlooked ghettos still exist. Not every man is great and able to overcome a bad situation that surrounds him. Don't get me wrong, I think every person is ultimately responsible for themselves and I think that big government screws up too much, but I really think our problem is MUCH more than simply the low-rung leeches of society. How can we allow CEO's to do much more harm to society than a simple street thug and yet punish them less, or even slap them on the wrist and send them off with millions? Anyway, I believe as a society, we are limited by the lowest among us; if we want to improve as a society something must be done to raise the bottom up. I don't think government is the only solution or the best solution, but it probably needs to play a part. [END SOAPBOX RANT.]
True. Utter nonsense. Public Schools are not socialism. The Veterans Administration is not socialism. Yes, look at them. Welfare was reformed in the 1990's, you can't get it as easily andyou can't stay on it for more than three years, now. Former welfare families are working now. Social Security is not socialism. The Post Office is not socialism! Geez, Sourdough, are you serious? No. Sourdough, I really think you need to update yourself on what socialism actually is and what it isn't. By your definition, anything you don't like about the government is socialism and that's simply a wrong definition. Socialism
Who hasn't failed at some point in their lives? Some may not but the point is that I was always taught to have backbone and you dust yourself off and try again. I haven't had the best luck either at some point in my life. I've learned you have to be aggressive sometimes and make your own luck! Here we go with the CEO, private enterprise thing again. How about the politicians who steal from government or make secret deals, democrats and republicans? I think our problem are many things, like the spoke on a wheel. I think some things are overlooked while others receive the blame. You have to wonder how many American companies have done business overseas or moving there where taxes are lower and its easier doing business when environmentalists don't have them by the throat! Wait until Obama is elected and see how this increases! Which he won't be btw! I disagree. You ever wonder what people did before LBJ's great society? I think people are better off with limited government, without welfare. The problem with government is that it continues to grow like a weed the only problem is that there is no way to slow it down or kill it. One of these days it will be out of control and the people of this country will have less and less control over it. Look at the ways things are now between politicians and lobbyists.
