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Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by tirk, Jun 18, 2009.

  1. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    obama openly doesnt give a damn about israel's sovereignty.

    he pressures them to weaken national security, change its boundaries while surrendering more land in front of netanyahu's face while giving speeches to the muslim world.


    yet when it comes to iran and this islamo-nazi regime, you know the one that puts down its own people, steals an election, threatens its neighbors and funds terrorism to kill american soldiers, he is suddenly quiet and wants to 'respect their sovereignty'.

    what the hell is this guy doing. it certainly isnt diplomacy. he's clearly backed himself in a corner with his naive iranian stance. if he speaks out against them now he knows he will look a fool.


    So we have Iran, in the midst of a revolution to overthrow a regime that is the bane of the world, yet he sits on his hands refusing to speak out.

    amazing to me.

    all the american president can say is he has "deep concerns" instead of in no uncertain terms we firmly support anyone that stands against tyranny as well as the suppression of free speech.

    this should really help facilitate others on the cusp of doing the same.
     
  2. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    a few republicans agree with his stance on Iran, just FYI.

    Dick Lugar
    Pat Buchanan
    Bill Kristol

    Pat Buchanan : Outlasting the Ayatollahs - Townhall.com

    Also, I dont think Israel is being weakened, why should the continue to build settlements that invokes more anger and rocket attacks?
     
  3. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    so you agree with whack job buchanan or simply quoting him to defend obama?

    not denounce it? this is a ridiculous position.
     
  4. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    Im giving you insight about what some on the other side of the political spectrum are saying.

    I agree with the position on Iran. Its a self-inflicted wound that will eventually rot, in that country. Tough talk does nothing but boost the regimes moral and resistence.

    I guess I do agree with Buchanan on this one, hes a whack job, but on this matter he has a point.
     
  5. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    Should any of this surprise you? Remember, he's not a Christian as he claims. Otherwise he wouldn't have slept through years of Rev. Wright's sermons. :hihi: He will continue to bow to the Muslim world.

    This is the same guy who made a comment yesterday something to the effect of...people shouldn't blindly put their faith in the market...they should put their faith in the guiding hands of government. WTF!!! It's like leading cattle to the slaughter.

    This country had problems for the last four years but now we're in serious trouble!

    Maybe we should send ACORN over to Iran to help them out with the election.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Quite the contrary, actually.

    The Israeli settlements in the West Bank is not Israeli land and it has always been known that giving them up will be part of any Peace Accord. No US administration, including Bush's, has ever approved of Israel's settlements inside Palestinine territory. This Israel/Palestine conflict is at the root of all of our problems in the Middle East. We need to get it solved we will have to pressure both parties to make serious compromises. We cant solve this by giving Israel everything it wants and the other side nothing. 40 years of that has not worked.

    Wake up, tirk! You're thinking with your balls again. Rule number one when an enemy is having internal dissent is "don't overtly interfere from the outside". It tends to drive them together instead of drive them apart. The Iranians are fierce nationalists even if they hate each others politics. If the US is seen to get involved, it could kill the revolt. We don't want to kill the revolt.

    Now, covertly we can be doing a lot to fan the flames, but it cannot be perceived as such by the enemy or it will unite them. They have been here before. The US intervened to put the Shah of Iran on the throne and to keep him in power for 25 years and they revolted against him. They are deeply suspicious of us, so Obama takes the open position of not meddling in their affairs.

    Meanwhile he quietly persuaded Twitter not to take a scheduled shutdown to upgrade the system that would have happened this week. Twitter is how the protesters are communicating.

    The challenger here has less inflammatory rhetoric, but has a foreign policy regarding nuclear development that is little different from Ahmahnutjob. We don't really want to get all warm and fuzzy about him yet. We may be dealing with him directly in a few years.

    Obama is smarter than you, tirk. He is playing both sides against the middle and not taking on the Bogeyman role. Like North Korea, Iran has a discontent and restless citizenry that is unhappy with its government. In both cases the dictators want to make the US into a dangerous threat to divert the anger from themselves. We do not need to play into their game. We want the internal anger to grow there and stay focused on the Iranian government.

    Watch and wait. We don't have to make laughable North-Korea-like belligerent threats for them to understand this, tirk. The United States took down countries on both sides of them in this decade and have armies on the ground there. They have not missed the point.

    This is one of those "Speak softly and carry a big stick." moments.
     
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  7. TwistedTiger

    TwistedTiger Founding Member

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    Just watch how he bows to Ahmadinejad when they finally meet. For a preview click the link. YouTube - Barack Obama Bows To Saudi King Abdullah
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1pMT4kO2pw[/MEDIA]
     
  9. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    come on red you know saudi arabia does not count. :lol:
     
  10. TwistedTiger

    TwistedTiger Founding Member

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    Typical Liberal comeback. The worst President in the history of America has a gay moment so that excuses Obama licking the Saudi Kings shoes. If you're using Bush as the gold standard you sure aren't setting the bar too high for the messiah.
     

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