Let's hope you're not an hourly worker...

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  1. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    earning over $22K per year, because the Republican House voted yesterday to screw you.

    Now, instead of mandatory time and a half pay for overtime, that decision will be left to your employer.

    Yes, let's see how many employers will VOLUNTARILY pay you time and a half.

    This measure is bad for employment and bad for the economy. What b.s. coming from the man who promised to be your friend.

    It used to be that if a certain task took 60 hours, an employer would either pay that first worker a premium rate, or hire a second worker because he didn't want to pay overtime rates. Now, why should he do either? Why incur the extra fringe benefits and required governmental costs of a second worker when he can just pressure that first one to work himself to death? And in this new Bush economy with millions of people ALREADY out of jobs, that worker better not complain, or he'll be joining them.

    The Republican reason for this measure, that the present laws were "too complicated", is a sham. Go to any Human Resources or payroll director at any company, and you'll find few who are confused by the present rules.

    What this measure truly is, rather, is just another shortsighted gift by the Bush party to the wealthy. The fools still haven't figured out that trickle down doesn't work, but only trickle up does. If the millions of little guys in this country have nothing to spend, then the guys at the top get less, too.
     
  2. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Right there is the basic difference between Democrats and Republicans. Which is better for the overall economy? Joe six-pack bringing home an extra $20 bucks a week or Mr. Business Owner being able to make the economic decisions necessary to keep his company operating and his workers employed? You have got to look at the big picture and have the courage to make the right decisions. The Republicans are looking out for the total welfare (poor choice of words) of all. The Dems are trying to buy the votes of the "poor and downtrodden".
     
  3. Golden Tiger

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    Rex, I had asked before do you agree with anything that President Bush does or do you just bitch? Where I work hours have been cut for years, and there is other ways around paying over time.......commissioned workers were always left out of overtime, even if they also work by the hour.
     
  4. JD

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    Re: Re: Let's hope you're not an hourly worker...

    Where do you come up with this stuff?
    The right wing basically considers the middle class an inferior citizen and believes they should finance this country. Any excess cash they have should be handed over to our "Bettors" - the freedom-hating elite in this country We see it in the tax policy and we see it now. It's called Neo-confederacy. Feudalism - we should all work for the plantation owner and be happy about it.
    I'll let Joe Sixpack decide how to spend his money, thank you.
     
  5. martin

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    lets say i own a company. shoulnt i be the one who decides how much i pay my employees?

    lets say i open a new store, and i have 200 poor mexicans who want to work for me. and i can afford hire every single one of them, at a salary they are willing to work for. but if this law takes effect, i can hire less of them because i am forced to pay them more than i would like. so now maybe i cant afford to hire enough guys to run my business at all. so my business dies, i cant afford labor anymore. the guys i hired no longer have jobs. now all of them are unemployed, when they could have been working for me. see how that works?

    (i saw you made a return to the boards so looked at your old posts to see if you really were liberal and could not understand real world economics)
     
  6. ElvisFan

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    You know, I see a lot of liberals hollering about how "the rich" get all the breaks and it's all on the backs of "the poor" and "middle class". They like to play up the whole class warfare thing.

    In the final analysis, when a liberal starts all this class warfare BS all you have to do is ask him/her this question: Has he/she ever been employed by a poor person? They generally don't have an answer for that one.
     
  7. ColonelHapablap

    ColonelHapablap Founding Member

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    Guess what. Some employers WILL still offer OT pay. If you want to get paid overtime, go work for someone who pays it. It's called a free market. In the end, overtime will likely become something that companies have to offer in order to compete for labor.
     
  8. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    If his employer goes out of business, Joe Sixpack won't have any money to spend.
     
  9. crawfish

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    They will go out of business if they can't keep their own employees.
     
  10. martin

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    exactly! that is why the government does not need to enforce these laws, the free market takes care of it. all the best employees will want to work for the companies with the bettter pay, and they get a huge competitive advantage in the marketplace and win.

    enforcing these stupid laws about pay only takes the decisions out of the hands of the employers and workers.
     

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