I'm just wondering if anyone feels like I do. Bear with me cause its going to cross issues to make my point. I'll admit i supported going into Iraq. I'll admit that it was/is probably the wrong place to have gone. But we are there now. So what's the plan? What I am sick of hearing from these two major candidates is what they supported and didn't support. Honestly, that no longer appeals to me. We are there. What are you going to do about it to get us out safely without destabilizing the whole region, thus putting us here in the states and our allies around the world in danger. OB has said set a timeline, then backed off then gone back to setting a time line but he really hasn't talked with military leaders on how to get out. JM has said we could be there another 100 years. Now whether thats suppost to be metaphoric or not, I don't know. I do know I don't like the idea of us being there permanately like in South Korea. So now the opportunity to take a stand and lead has come up with this financial crisis, and despite what I may think about the "rescue" plan, neither candidate has decided to truely take a stand and try to lead. In my opinion they have both sat there posturing, waiting for the other to make a mistake or trying to bait the other into making a mistake. Why can't one of them just stop trying to make the other look bad and tell me, no show me why they should be leading this country. I guess I am just sick and tired of the he said / he said crap. Stop telling me what you did or didn't do. Show me here and now how your going to lead this country out of turmoil. Whether I agree with your policies are not wouldn't matter much to me after that cause at least I know I had a canidate to choose from that is willing to get up off there butt and DO something. Sorry for the rant...
Elections are broken in this country. They last too long. Candidates have to cater to a wide spectrum of special interests groups for their support and have to raise tones of cash. Then the long campaigns get contentious. The nature of campaigning prevents leaders from taking charge. They risk offending some important campaign supporter. Once they are in office, they have freedom to be themselves and then we'll see who is made of Presidential timber and who ain't.
I call bullsh*t. Once they are in office, they have to start paying back the crooks that they sold their souls to in order to get elected. Obama, probably more than any other president in our history, will be nothing more than a puppet. Many people are using him to purchase the White House....say it ain't so.
You made the claim. Now, back it up with some actual evidence and you might convince me. Look, every politician that ever existed accepts campaign contributions, including McCain. Why are we supposed to believe that only Obama is a "puppet" who had been "purchased"? I realize you have nightmares about Obama, but they ain't my problem.
I've laid out my case in at least 10 different threads...you do the research if you require a more specific statement. I have nightmares about oboma and you have a hard on for him...I guess we both have issues.
It was a good rant! And like Red said in the first reply, a big problem is that the process has become too:cuss: long. Couple of thoughts without going back and throwing your quotes back at you. I think OB genuinely believes a timeline for troop removal is a good thing, but I think its a recipe for disaster By the same token, while JM may indeed be offering a metaphor with the "100 years" comment, let's remember that 6 years after the end of WWII, we were still militarily governing both Japan and Germany, and would continue to do so for a few more years. And we weren't fighting insurgents on a near-daily basis in those occupations. Whether you believe in the cause or not, a great many Americans are war-weary and want to see this thing end as quickly as possible. We should be pushing the Iraqis to invest their own money in their rebuilding and using more of their own troops to maintain the peace. Maybe then we can get what everyone wants...American troops out of Iraq without compromising the security of a crucial area of the world.
Ok, then I'll say "it ain't so". Actually I have some reservations about Obama, I was for Richardson or Hillary, you may remember. It's more Bush republicans that I have nightmares about. McCain is puppet of the party in charge of our current international, energy, foreign policy, and economic disasters.
The voters had better get a handle on who's best qualified before they get into office. But I agree that the elections began way to early this go-around. The campaigning should not start until Labor Day the year prior to the election. That is the traditional start date for presidential campaigns.
