Even CNN is reporting the dangers of leaving Iraq early: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/02/iraq.scenarios/index.html It's pointless to debate whether we should've gone in or not at this point. We're committed now and if we leave early, we will surely pay for it later. Why certain politicians don't see this is beyond me.
I'm not saying we should pull out at any certain time, but Iraq was a disaster when we got there and will be a disaster when we leave, whether it's tomorrow or 10 years from now. Nothing one well placed nuke couldn't fix.
How are we going to pay for it later. Are the Iraqis going to make Sand Nukes and throw them at us? We've completely destroyed a country's government and the people don't like the new one. We're committed to failure. What a spectacular way to deal with issues. Maybe all countries should take this approach. :dis:
Oh gee, I don't know. Iraq will be such an unstable country that it will become a hotbed of terrorist activity. Al Qaeda will run rampant, just like they did when the Taliban was in charge in Afghanistan. Did you even read the article? But hey, screw it. Let's just leave and make our country look even weaker. Then we can give the terrorists yet another victory to relish. Let's give them another place where they can plan attacks against us. Let's show the entire world that we're weak and cannot be counted on. And thus, the pussification of America will come full circle.
I pretty much agree with all you've said but the entire world already knows we can't be counted on and definitely the entire muslim word thinks the pussification is already complete. After all the greatest most advanced military ever on the face of the planet can't get control of a little third world country where they live in mud huts. The political correctness of the current administration has effectively castrated our military. We are stuck being a police force with one hand tied behind its back caught in the middle of a civil war that dates back to the time of Jesus. If you can't take control of a third world hole in the sand after 5 years believe me the rest of the world will see you as weak.
The problem in Iraq has nothing to do with political correctness. That is just a lame copout excuse. The problem is we don't have an identifiable enemy to fight. An occupying force cannot win a guerilla war. Put the US military up against any other army in the world and its a swift victory for the Americans.
The Israeli's didn't seem to have the same problem when they went into Lebanon here recently. It doesn't matter what kind of force you are fighting, you are supposed to come up with a way to defeat it. Having the worlds most advanced army with the best technology on earth should help at least a little bit. That's like saying we beat the hell out of notre dame in football but in ping pong they would walk all over us. The game being played is football, put your cleats on and come to play. The whining about it being a "guerilla war" further makes my case about the pussification of america being complete.
Exactly. So why keep taking casualties? Iraq has NOTHING that we need. Fundamental misunderstanding of how powerful a nuclear weapon is.
Unproven scare tactic. Already the Sunni insurgents are fighting the Al Qaida foreigners. Iraq was the most westernized country in the Arab world under Saddam's secuar government. No political freedom, but plenty of religious freedom. These people aren't used to Islamic law. Al Qaida was first welcomed to help fight the American occupiers. But now Al Qaida is going around making women put on scarves, whipping men who shave and even forbidding vegetable vendors from placing cucumbers next to tomatoes because they are of different genders! They are wearing out thsie welcome. The Iraqis are very nationalistic and they aren't about to let carzy Saudi extremeists run the country or Iranian nut jobs either. If the Americans ever leave, the last thing the Iraqis are going to do is to tempt them to come back by sending out al Qaida with an Iraqi return address. Appearances can be deceiving. Who cares if we look weak, if we are plenty strong? The problem is that we have been weakened militarily and cannot fight any other potential enemies until we get unstuck in Iraq. Yeah, they're having a grand time partying in that cave in Pakistan. This isn't about showing the world that we're invincible. Bush already tried that and failed miserably. The question now is to show the world that we have the brains to change course and fix the problem. The notion that somehow all we have to do to "win" is to demonstrate resolve is simply ridiculous. We have to start fighting smarter. Even the general in charge says that there is no military solution to the Iraqi debacle. It's a political fight now and the military is taking unneeded caualties and spending $60 billion a month with no progress to show in the four years since Bush thought the mission was acccomplished. The war with Iraq is over. We won it in 21 days, defeated their military forces, and sacked their capital. This subsequent occupation is endless and is not a miltary problem. It's and political and police problem.
