This is why you dont offer to talk with radical idiots. Obama is a gawd damn fool for even suggesting it.
Jimmy Carter # 2:rofl: Edit: This is one of many reasons I can say the US Government and Obama is a joke this soon. I acknowledge it was bad in some ways under Bush but it seems we left one extreme for another!
I would understand this line of thought IF Obaama was even considering the demands of Iran. We can safely say he is not. Iran is just trying to look tough in front of all their friends. All Ahmadineajhad has done is further marginalize Iran and ensure no talks will take place.
This is nothing new from Iran. George Bush, John McCain and Hillary Clinton all said it would be naive to open discussions and they were correct. Expecting that a new President with a mantra of change would magically soften the Iranian leaders was foolish. People like Ahmadinejad and the Iranians see it as weakness. Obama held out his hand and they spit in his face. He made his foolish offer, and this is what he got.
What a partisan observation! You listen to Iranian Ahmanutjob propaganda, typical third-world rhetoric designed for internal consumption, and then declare Obama to be Carter and a joke. :insane: Obama has done exactly nothing so far concerning Iran . . . except call for tighter sanctions, (LINK), refused to rule out military force (LINK), and has NOT talked to or written to the Iranians (LINK). What he has done is condemn Iran for their support of Hamas and Hebollah and stated they should not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. By simply offering to talk IF Iran "opened it's fist", Obama took the high ground and let Ahmanutjob step into the bad PR cowpile by being the one to publicly refuse to talk. Now no one can say we didn't offer to talk. And it should be remembered that practicing diplomacy doesn't mean automatically making concesssions. We talked with the Soviets throughout the Cold War, without giving up anything that was important to us. But it did prevent a shooting war long enough for the USSR to collapse of it's own failures. Iran is not a politically or economically stable country, are not on good terms with any of their neighbors, and they got nuthin' we need. By keeping their many factions fighting each other instead of uniting against us, we are encouraging internal dissent and another revolution perhaps. This is why Ahmanutjob needs to sow seeds of war and conflict domestically . . . it reaches out to Iranian nationalism and helps him keep the many Iranian resistance groups supporting him instead of resisting him. Talking to them doesn't require us to give up anything, yet it greatly complicates Iranian international and internal politics.
I see the exact opposite. Obama basically said hey we will talk to you if you behave, otherwise you can sit in your hole and rot. They chose the latter. Their crazy president just drove a bigger stake between the Iranian people and the Iranian oligarchy. What Iran chooses to see as a weakness matters not. If they pick a fight they will last all of 30 days against us, and they know it. Preaching rhetoric, posturing for regional 3rd world power, and pretending to carry a big stick is not the same as actually carrying the big stick.
Glad you agree. Its what everybody said would happen. He was foolish to believe otherwise. So what happened to everything he said during the campaign? Just thrown out the window now? No speedy exit from Iraq? All this is a bunch of lip servicing bull shiit.
Can someone explain what he means by this: "This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed," Is he saying that capitalism has failed because we believed we could force countries to do what we wanted with economic stimuli - and we can't?
Seems unlikely Obama will cave in to such a demand. There is campaign rhetoric, and there is reality.
