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True or not it someone had some sense who penned this.

This letter was sent to Tennessee Senator Bill Frist from a retired border patrol agent, and it has more common sense than all the bull being spewed from the Senate, with the exception of a few sensible representatives.

Dear Senator Frist:

There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens.
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Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.

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There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.

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Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.

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Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.

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This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.

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The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.

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There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote". Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end.

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Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.

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Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a good reason to trash another nation?

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There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.

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It is racist to want secure borders. What is racist about wanting secure borders and a secure America? What is racist about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price? For about four decades American politicians have refused to secure our borders and look after the welfare of middle class Americans. These politicians have been of both parties. A huge debt to American society has resulted. This debt will be satisfied and the interest will be high. There has already been riots in the streets by illegal aliens and their supporters. There will be more. You, as a politician, have a choice to offend the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country and demanded the rights afforded to U.S. citizens or to offend those of us who are stakeholders in this country. The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There will be a reckoning. Do you have the courage to do what is right for America? Or, will you bow to the wants and needs of those who don't even have the right to remain here? There will be a reckoning. It will come in November of this year, again in 2008 and yet again in 2010. We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators and thieves.

David J. Stoddard
U.S. Border Patrol (RET)
Hereford, Arizona
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JSracing said:

True or not it someone had some sense who penned this.
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not true, and consequently no sense.

martin, May 26, 2006

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Illegal aliens like to eat, drink clean water, and flush the toilet. We should make it as hard as possible for them to do that.

LSUsupaFan, May 26, 2006

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Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.
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Well, you can find it in our own textbooks, too. That is mostly true.

In 1847 we invaded Mexico and occupied their capital. We did not leave until they signed the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo which ceded all of California, Nevada, and Utah, along with portions of Arizona, New Mexico, Wyoming and Colorado to the United States.

Texas is different. Texas was a Mexican province that declared and fought a war of independence from Mexico in 1836. The nation of Texas later joined the United States willingly in 1845.

red55, May 26, 2006

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#2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.
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There are some jobs that Americans won't do for the wage that can be afforded it. That includes most of the jobs mexicans have.

#3. Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home.
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Every single one of them? Wow, this guy must know a $h*t load of these mexicans.

#4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.
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Critical? No. Helpful? Yes. They do not reduce wages or benefits for anyone else.

#5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans.
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Who got here somewhere along the line within the past 300 years via immigration.

While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants)
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Legal? There were no laws! How could it be legal!? And if we were to pretend there were laws, invading a country & simply taking it for yourself wouldn't constitute obeying them.

it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.
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What the hell is this guy talking about?

#7. There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote".
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Sure there is. Just like there's a "black vote" because the majority of them tend to vote similarly.

Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.
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I believe it! How dare they teach their children historical truths in textbooks! We Americans should be rioting in the streets!

#10. There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.
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There is more of a labor shortage than there is an excessive amount of labor.

The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There will be a reckoning.
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Jeezus, a little dramatic huh?

CParso, May 26, 2006

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My stepmother is full blooded Mexican and was given up for adoption by her parents. She was adopted by American parents. Although she respects her heritage, even she thinks the cheaters and freeloaders should not be allowed in the country.

I could care less how many imigrants we let in the country as long as they do it the right way and pay taxes just like me. However most of them don't and as far as I am concerned they have no right to be here.

I think we should load them and all of the freeloading welfare americans up on a boat and ship them to one of the third world countries so maybe they will appreciate things a little and learn to do things the right way.

Ch0sn0ne, May 26, 2006

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martin said:

not true, and consequently no sense.
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So what It made sense anyway. LOL :grin:

besides I sent it to Frist myself, so in a way it's true.

JSracing, May 26, 2006

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JSracing said:

So what It made sense anyway. LOL :grin:

besides I sent it to Frist myself, so in a way it's true.
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Don't worry about them JS. If it's right, they're against it. If it makes sense, they deny it. They are beyond salvaging.

The letter is true. It is a fair, and honest, description of what is going on. Thanks for posting it.

saltyone, May 26, 2006

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Illegal aliens like to eat, drink clean water, and flush the toilet. We should make it as hard as possible for them to do that.
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Is the catholic church really this hard up for money? Catholics seem to think that it's our (The United States) responsibility to take care of these moochers. I would be interested in seeing the immigration laws for rome and italy.

saltyone, May 26, 2006

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From Mexico City To Rome: Illegal Immigration And The Vatican
By Robert Klein Engler (05/30/2005)

Lost amid all the reams of paper, stacks of videos and bites in e-space about President Fox's view of African-American workers is a more troublesome comment coming from an overlooked source.

CNN.com reports that "Even Cardinal Norberto Rivera Carrera, the archbishop of Mexico City, criticized U. S. immigration policy as ridiculous and defended Fox's comments, saying: "The declaration had nothing to do with racism. It is a reality in the United States that anyone can prove."

That's not the whole of Cardinal Carrera's comments about immigration. He also has criticized the United States for "xenophobic attitudes" toward Mexican immigrants, calling it inconsistent to promote international free trade but refuse to let people cross the border for the basic human right to work. "Just as the borders are open to merchandise, that is all the more reason that the borders should be open to the human being," said the Cardinal.

Why is the archbishop of Mexico City getting involved in the illegal immigration dispute between Mexico and the United States and defending President Fox and his remarks. Does this mean there is a line we can follow from the Vatican, through the barrios of Chicago, past the Arizona desert and Mexico's president Fox to the Cardinal?

Cardinal Norberto Rivera Carrera of Mexico City is the spiritual leader of the world's largest Roman Catholic diocese. Cardinal Rivera has more than 7 million Catholics in his care. The Catholic News Service maintains that the archdiocese of Mexico City averages about 150,000 baptisms a year--more than the entire Catholic population in many dioceses around the world. You'd think with all these baptisms the Cardinal would be too busy and stay out of the illegal immigration debate. There must be a reason why he sides with illegal immigrants and wants an invasion of Mexicans into the U. S.
Catholic News Service says that since he became archbishop of Mexico City in 1995 he has been in the news often, speaking on a wide range of social issues. To his credit, he has criticized Mexico's drug cartel and government corruption and its complicity in the drug trade on numerous occasions.

But when the U. S. ambassador took Mexico to task for ineffective enforcement of drug laws, he issued a rebuke. "I don't think the United States has the moral authority to criticize us," he said. "They, too, suffer from this problem and haven't been able to solve it."

Placing the blame elsewhere does not solve the Mexican drug problem. Nor does disrespect for our national sovereignty solve the immigration problem. Certainly Cardinal Carrera must know that all Catholics are encouraged to follow the laws of the country where they live. Also, he must understand that the suffering of the poor in Mexico cannot be solved by encouraging them to flee to another culture and work for slave wages. Mexico's social problems must be solved in Mexico, not in the U. S. by illegal immigrants.

Could there be political reasons why Cardinal Carrera and even the Vatican would like to see an invasion of poor Mexicans to the United States? I have not talked with representatives from the Vatican, but I can surmise that there might be such reasons. The war in Iraq and the issue of American secularism and abortion may be some of them.

In January 2003, as U. S. and British forces were preparing to invade Iraq, Cardinal Carrera joined Pope John Paul II in criticizing the invasion plans. "There does not have to be a war. It would be a disgrace to humanity if we go down this path," the Cardinal said. What better way to make this point than to send millions of illegal immigrants from Mexico across the U. S. border to say it over again in Spanish.

Abortion politics may also motivate Cardinal Carrera to support Mexico's President Fox in his Northern Strategy. It is no secret that the Catholic Church wants to take on the secularism of North America and would like to see Roe v Wade overturned. What better way to do that than increase the number of Catholics living in the United States and involve them in the political process. Illegal immigrants from Mexico can be the foot soldiers for the Vatican foreign policy of defeating both secularism and legalized abortion. Indeed there is a line that runs from Chicago through the Mexican border to Vatican City.

Cardinal Carrera should be reminded that it is a principle of Thomistic theology that both the family and the state are natural and necessary for our earthly happiness. Respect for the family means respect for marriage and respect for the state means respect for its laws and borders. Furthermore, respect for the culture of indigenous peoples is no different from respect for the unique culture of those living in the United States. It is hard to imagine how following Thomistic theology we can justify illegal immigration or in the Cardinal's words, "that the borders should be open..."

Although Cardinal Carrera is in favor of national unity when it comes to things Mexican, he seems not to be in favor of national unity when it comes to the U. S. protecting its borders. During the 1995 rebellion in Chiapas he made a plea for national unity and worried that Mexico might run the risk of coming apart, but when the U. S. decides on the national unity that comes with the enforcement of its immigration laws, he opposes such an effort.
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Supa, you would sell out your own country in the name of the pope. I just can't believe it. :dis:

This is why I refer to you as nothing more than a tool. You're being used, and don't even realize it.

saltyone, May 26, 2006

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