Just shows you what money, good lawyers, and the threat of a highly visible lawsuit will do. Who said you couldn't call the nazi's bluff. FSU backeed them in a corner and now they are crying like a little girl. Way to go FSU :thumb:
So, by your statement, you think the reason that Indian names should not be used is because they were victims. Not that the use of their names is offensive? It doesn't matter to you (I'm just using your statement for rhetorical purposes - you're cool) whether there is any intention to denegrate the name, or whether there is any reasonable standard by which we can judge if something is actually offensive? It's just that Indians are victims and if anyone's widdle feewings might get hurt, why, then it's an outrage! Let's face it. That's the only difference between Indian names and other ethnic based mascot names, such as Fighting Irish, Ragin' Cajun, Tarheels, Cornhuskers, Plainsmen, Vikings, etc. In America, victimhood gives any person the right to be treated special, (read: different, better) than anyone else, regardless of common sense. The main problem with that is this: placating the victim doesn't make the victim's situation better, it makes it worse. It solidifies the idea of inferiority in the victim. When you simply feed the monster, it only placates it for the short term, and makes it grow in size and ferocity. What an opportunity for Indian cultures if they would simply embrace the good intentions of the unversities that are acknowledging them. They could help the universities tailor their traditions in more authentic ways, thereby helping to preserve and honor their cultures, which are currently in danger of being lost to history!
but what if a school such as the Indians of UL-Monroe gets written approval from every known indian tribe in the US?
The NCAA wants each school to demonstrate they have the blessings of the tribe. In the case of the Illini, that might take some work. The Illini or Illiniwek (people) were "merged" with the Peoria tribe when they were deported to Oklahoma. The Illini were "socially-challenged" and their children did not play well with others, especially the Winnebagos. The Illini fought often and lost often, which is why the nickname fits Illinois football so well. Today, the total count of the Peoria Tribe is some 2,000 people... which includes tribesmen other than the Illini. The Peoria Tribe has headquarters in Miami, Oklahoma... finding a pure-blooded Illiniwek to bless the use of the name may be quite difficult. I also wonder if the Winnebago tribe gets a royalty of some kind on all motor home sales.... perhaps the NCAA can assign a task force on this...
I think his point was that "cowboy" is not the white man equivalent of "indian." And besides, "cowboy" doesn't refer to an ethnic group, it was a profession basically.
Quite correct! Cowboy is not a white equivalent of Indian, but I think his point seems to suggest that Indians deserve special recognition, apart from cowboys or soldiers, because they were the victims: "Cowboys were not the ones killing Indians en masse, it was soldiers. "
FSU looked the NCAA right in the eye, they said screw you, and they won. I hope that this sets a prescident that we don't have to take the NCAA's ####. By the way Tirk, I take offense that you're using my cousin on your footer. Just kidding, I don't take offense but she is like my 5th cousin. I always wondered how I could be related to something that hot.
A Tiger has eaten a child in Africa... our name is now offensive.. Nah... the NCAA tried to be politically correct, and it blew up in their face... At least they showed flexibility and fixed it, rather than just being stubborn and keeping it
