From Patriots, to Clingers, to Deplorables ..to Domestic Terrorists ... Oh My!

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  1. Jmg

    Jmg Veteran Member

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    its not just an important thing, its the important thing. a sufficient number of, for example, communists will end up killing 50 million like its nothing.
     
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  2. APPTiger

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    Yea but why change the daily routine
     
  3. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 Let's have a drink.

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    I wonder that in our lifetime, because the last world war is creeping into our past, do people really understand what politics can do?

    I haven't traveled the world at all, so I am not sure how it is in other countries, but when I read about history the overwhelming theme I get is that Humans are fucked up... Have we evolved past this? I do not think so.
     
  4. GiantDuckFan

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    ok, I get your point,.. but lets say American politics since WW2, and maybe you can try to see the points I'm trying to make,. ..we take this shit too seriously, both political parties want us to think it's life or death, dim/repug parties don't want change, they love the current setup where they just take turns having presidents, we are all being manipulated
     
  5. kcal

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    .... it isn't neccesary to choose a side, then defend their position, and attack the other side as being evil,.. and we shouldn't,.. but we are being manipulated to do so[/QUOTE]
    this is a fair statement.... I was approaching it more from a civil liberties perspective dressed up as saving the country from the deplorables
     
  6. APPTiger

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    OR to the folks whose lives have been ruined by the made up crap from the left and the media. Or Steve Scalise who was damn near killed by a Bernie Sanders disciple, Or those that have been doxxed for doing their job or those run out of restaurants, or to the thousands that had their businesses looted or destroyed or to the family of the young man in Portland that was hunted down and killed by ANTIFA
    Anyone go after Bernie, Maxine Waters for that? NO, those of us that are level headed know Bernie is not responsible for the actions of a lunatic. Anyone get arrested, tried and convicted for all the looting and business and church burning? NO, well there were a few arrested but our new VP helped raise money to bail them out. BTW whatever happened to Jussie Smollet for faking a hate crime?
    Yes, they are both corrupt but the Democrats are dirty as hell and batshit crazy
     
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  7. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 Let's have a drink.

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    I am not saying you need to be a prepper, but it is a sound principle to know well how evil we can be. We have had it good. This came at a massive price over and over again.

    We have not evolved past this. We are just more sinister and creative in our ways.

    I remember reading this in reference to The 48 Laws of Power. I think it true:

    https://quillette.com/2019/01/01/st...ink-is-right-an-interview-with-robert-greene/

    Ryan Holiday: I thought we’d start with this idea of human nature itself. There are certain people who have almost come to believe that there’s no such thing as human nature. Maybe it makes them uncomfortable or they don’t like the idea. Why do you think it’s something that we need to look at with open eyes?

    Robert Greene: Well, because looking at reality is always better. The people who don’t believe that human nature is something real, who believe that humans are malleable and that we make our own nature, generally want to believe that we are perfectible by some kind of government or system. It has traditionally been a kind of a communist socialist revolutionary idea. And the idea is that by creating the right kind of system or government, you can alter what corrupted us (which they maintain was done by social injustice, the rise of large civilizations, and the oppression and the accumulation of capital, et cetera.) They believe that if we go back and alter this system, we can return to that kind of pure human being. This is what I wrote about the Cultural Revolution and Mao Zedong—Mao wanted to recreate human nature. That’s always been the belief and it’s kind of a mix of wishes that humans were really this kind of angelic creature in the beginning and that we can return to that.

    And what I’m trying to say is humans can change, we can alter, we could become something superior, but only by really coming to terms with who we are and getting over this myth of the Garden of Eden—of the fallen human being who was once so angelic just 5,000 years ago or 10,000 years ago. But I think the evidence is clear looking at our chimpanzee ancestors and the record of early homo sapiens that we do have aggressive, violent impulses, that we are pretty much irrational by nature, and that the kinds of qualities that we value can only come about through personal work, through conquest, through overcoming our tendencies that are kind of animal-like. And that rather than some government that’s going to perfect us, it’s the work of individuals being conscious and aware of who they are as opposed to being in denial. There’s a quote from Angela Carter that I’ve used in several books: “We want to believe that we’re descended from angels instead of primates.”

    RH: You mentioned Mao. The track record of people who have tried to either deny that human nature exists or who have tried to change it by brute force—they’ve left a lot of bodies in their wake. haven’t they?

    RG: That’s right. That’s right. Yeah.

    RH: So, that being said, why do people keep trying? Why is it so hard for us to accept it?

    RG: Well, it’s really coming to terms with some harsh realities. We want to believe [certain things and] we have a certain opinion of ourselves that persists to this day. You see it in newspaper articles about us and about how people respond to my book, and to writers like Steven Pinker. Pinker, who’s very well respected, will accumulate a lot of research material and statistics to try to show that we are perfecting ourselves. There is some truth to this idea. He’s not linking it to a return to the Garden of Eden, he’s linking it to this sort of progression that we’re going through and we’re becoming enlightened in technology and science and rationality and getting over religion. So we can debate his research and his statistics and his studies forever, and there will always be people who support it. But the reason people keep returning to it is that it’s extremely seductive. It holds up this sort of idealized mirror of who we are as if it’s not a matter of effort, of coming to terms with our shadow, or coming to terms with our ugly aspects of our nature, but rather through a new government or technological progress and beauties of science that we’ve all just naturally become progressive.

    This is a huge part of human nature. Always wanting to take the path of least resistance. We want shortcuts to believe that there’s an easy route to something that we want. Almost like you take a pill or you just sign up to take this course, or you have a communist revolution where it federates. That’s a childlike belief, and I think it’s very dangerous and it leaves the body count, as you say, very high.
     
  8. GiantDuckFan

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    people are essentially good, and we're getting there, has there ever been a time with less wars in the world than now?,.. your future wars are in your imagination, they haven't happened and probably won't
     
  9. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 Let's have a drink.

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    My favorite part:

    "You need to come to terms with the fact that 95 percent of your ideas and opinions are not your own—they come what other people have taught you, from what you’re reading on the internet, from what other people are saying and doing. You’re a conformist—that’s who you are. I’m like that and everybody is like that and you realize that only by throwing some light on yourself and realizing that these qualities, these flaws that are built into us, they are inside you too. Only then can you begin to overcome them and use them for productive purposes."

    "Question, question, question. Don’t assume that the reason that you feel something, and that it’s right just because you feel it. And in that kind of process, you will become rational, you’ll become somebody who can use empathy, you will have the ability to judge people properly and accept them for who they are as opposed to continually moralizing, wishing people were something that they’re not."
     
  10. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 Let's have a drink.

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    War hasn't stopped. Its only changed form. If you think China isn't mobile against us you are not paying attention. In time, some might wish to be evaporate from existence via a bomb than die a slow and poor death.
     

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