Face it. There will not be a playoff in the foreseeable future. The current bowls make way too much money to employ such a system. Personally I NEVER, NEVER, EVER want to see a playoff system under any circumstances. The BCS is already trying to fix what wasn’t broken. Question: What makes college football the superior game to the NFL? FAR superior for that matter! Intensity. The intensity of each and every game. In college football, EVERY game counts. If LSU plays Troy State, IT COUNTS. And it counts as big as if they were playing the No. 1 ranked team in the nation as far as national championship implications go. You lose to Troy State, you’re out! You lose to USC you’re out! That’s what makes the college version way better than that of the pros. So in effect, college football is a SEASON-LONG playoff. It’s an 11-week playoff system already in place. As the season wears on teams begin to drop out of the “playoff” as they lose games. It’s a single (and in the case of last year “double”) elimination 11-week tournament. What could be better than that? EVERY team starts out IN the tournament. No other sport can say that. The arguments you all are using FOR a playoff system are the same reasons you DON’T like the current system. You DON’T like the polls deciding who should play in NC game. Well, who would decide who plays in a playoff? You DON’T like the polls leaving out the No. 3 team from a national championship game. Well, if you have a 16-team (or whatever number of teams) tournament, I can guarantee you No.s 17-25 are going to BITCH like hell that they weren’t invited and that the polls screwed them out of a national championship. In my opinion college football has the BEST playoff system of any sport on any level.
We can agree to disagree then can't we. I think college football post season sucks, I think they would be better off to shorten the regular season by 1 or 2 meaningless games such as when LSU plays Troy or another team such as Houston, Arkansas Little Rocksters, etc. You could then have a playoff system but I know it will probably never happen. SO Then I would settle for less, at least they could fix it where when there is a dispute the 2 teams could play in a winner take all, 1 game extra that is all. But the politics involved such as the coaches and the media on Usucks bandwagon, most of these people DON'T like the south and never would vote for a team from there like LSU or Auburn such as Lou Holtz and the Cal coach last year who NEVER saw us play and had his assistant or secretary vote for USuck. If you take Chris Fowler for instance, he made no sense whatsoever in his justification for voting for USucks. You see if it weren't for favorites, politics, etc I could agree with you. I don't like pre-season polls for instance, most of the time they are never right and that is what flaws the rest of the season from that point on. The BCS sucks especially after they took the SOS out of the system, once again a liberal, democratic state gets all the benefits from the system. Yep, college football is the best when you consider all of these flawed systems and prejudices involved! :dis: " I just threw in the liberal thing because it always seems to benefit them, whatever way they fix any system, that is all." I was really talking about the USucks of the world there!
Since you are telling people what to do, I am just going to read the title of your post and not even bother reading what you had to say. There is a lot of interest in a playoff system for college football. The current system is a crock of ****. Every other sport determines their champion on the playing surface. Why not college football. Period.
oddly enough, I associate power and money with the Democratic/ Liberal movement. All I have to say is the Kennedy's and Chappaqudic. Clinton and Whitewater, people went to jail over that one. :thumb: :911: :usaflagwa
no comment, I don't want to ruin or high jack this thread. I'll save what I have to say for the proper forum. Back to the argument for college playoffs or not, I'm sorry I said anything about politics, should've known better.
Grad, I would NEVER tell people what to do. Our government already has the patent on that. And yes, there is a lot of interest in having a playoff. And I have a lot of interest in getting with Pamela Anderson. I'd say the odds are about equal for both of those things happening.
Don't you dare come here and speak your own personal thoughts and opinions! This is a message forum for crying out loud!!! What are you thinkin!!??!?!?!? Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, some people's children! <end sarcasm>
(Sigh) For the umpteenth time.... Not too long ago, they said the NCAA would never allow collegiate athletic competition on Sundays. Look what happened there. Everybody could be making a gazillion times more money under a playoff system if done right. I'm convinced now that resistance to a playoff is not about the money for many folks; it's about control and power. You dislike the World Series then? Or the NCAA Tournament? Or every other sport in the known world, where the champion is decided on the field, in an organized tournament format, and the competition is just as intense? Speak for yourself. A system which will allow the undefeated champion of the SEC to be shut out of the national title game ain't broken? I don't know about you, but for me it's the feeling of unity I get in cheering for an institution I'm a part of, greater than just the team, and fellow students who are representing my beloved institution. With college, we have real ownership and camaraderie of the team; those really are OUR GUYS out there. No such feeling with the NFL, not for me at least. Say what you want about the NFL, I'd say most of the time it's pretty intense, even the regular season. After all, you have to win more than you lose (most of the time, far more than you lose) to even go to the playoffs. And that's how it would be in college football too, under most playoff ideas. Again, speak for yourself. I find it absolutely ridiculous that one loss can doom your season. I find equally ridiculous any assertion that a playoff would render the regular season meaningless. Even under a 16 team playoff with conference champions getting auto bids, it would be 10 times more competitive than the NCAA Tournament; if you are not in a current BCS league, you had better win your conference to get to the playoffs. If you hope for an at-large bid, you had better not have more than two losses. Again, regular season still matters; you still must win more than you lose and have a very good, competitive season. You just get a little mercy and a chance to still compete if you have one bad game. That's the way it should be. Every year, before the college football season starts, the schools in the five non-BCS conferences, with a possible five or six exceptions (Utah, Louisville, a few others) must accept the fact that they have ZERO CHANCE of winning a national title. Unlike in the NCAA Basketball Tourney, where at least the possibility exists (however remote, but it does sometimes happen) of a mid-major or an underdog going to the Final Four if they can just get a good draw in the tourney and make a run, the non-BCS football teams are given no chance, not even on the field; it is taken completely out of their hands. And the fact remains that, at the end of this season, if everybody wins out, somebody's getting excluded without having lost. Again, ORGANIZED TOURNAMENT FORMAT with rules and brackets is what we need. The "every week is a playoff in college football" mantra is a bunch of crap, because the key teams aren't playing off or eliminating each other and because half of Division 1-A is excluded before the first game even begins. Not exactly; you are over-simplifying the arguments. Under my proposed system, 12 auto bids (11 conference champs and the best Indy) and four wild cards, selected by a computer based power rating, very similar to last year's BCS system. Seed them 1-16, and play off. Unlike basketball and baseball, I would rather not have a human selection committee or completely poll-based playoff. They might complain, but they haven't got a leg to stand on. Every year, in basketball, some 18-11 team from the middle of the pack in a big conference and some 23-6 team from a smaller conference get excluded from the Big Dance, and they scream and holler. But they knew what they had to do to get in (win a few more games to get a higher RPI or win their conference) and they didn't get it done. It'll be the same way for football, and they'll get the same reply. This year, you can't honestly say that Auburn, or Utah, for that matter, "didn't get it done." Auburn, this year, has done everything they had to do under the rules they were given to play under, yet they will be excluded if nothing changes. That is not right. Where undefeated teams just get randomly screwed by anonymous pollsters? No, that's not a playoff under any definition. Say it with me all together now; ORGANIZED TOURNAMENT FORMAT. College football is the ONLY SPORT IN THE WORLD that doesn't decide it's champion that way. Time to join the 21st Century.
very good post, Jetstorm. You're getting rep points for that one. The only disagreement I'd have with your way is putting the top independent in the formula. Let the top independents (Notre Dame) join a conference (Big 10) and win the damned thing, or finish in the top 16. Don't automatically hand a bid out to a school just because they are the top independent school. I also don't agree with all 11 conference champions getting automatic bids. My reasoning is that you could have a conference champion from a "lesser" conference with a 8-3 or 7-4 record getting in over a 9-2 or 10-1 team who didn't win their "better" conference. Top 16 get in with the power rankings using BCS formula with strength of schedule included. Still....your way is better than what we got now :cuss:
It's easy to understand that their might be differing opinions about the BCS, as a fan. But if you're a collegiate athlete, an amateur no less, then you deserve to know, at the beginning of each and every season, that you have an equitable opportunity to be fairly recognized for your efforts. That's not happening today - at least not at the D-1 level. It's interesting that D-3 has a playoff system that works just fine....... Here's the truth..... the "powers" that currently control CFB don't want to change because change could result in their reliquishing some of that power. It's purely about the money, nothing more, nothing less.
