Do you treat atheist like second class citizens?

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  1. Bud Lee

    Bud Lee Call me buttercup

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    I'll have to get the person who told me that to clarify herself. I must admit that I was driving and not paying full attention. Perhaps she meant Jesues never said there was...I don't know. I'll get back to you tomorrow.

    Got to admit, I'm not very "religious"...more of a cafeteria practicer. I pick and choose what I like from various beliefs.
     
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  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    this is the way i feel about math. i pick and choose. sometimes 4 plus 4 is 8. 7 plus 9 also 8. some people would describe this as "stupid" or "wrong" and suggest that i just use reason and reality to determine things, but yunno, my faith is not for you to judge, jerks.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    This is what she might have meant. People who study the Bible for a career don't just read the King James version. They read early Greek and Roman texts, dead sea scrolls, archaeological relicts, etc., and many thousands of clay tablets in Mesopotamia. They have learned a great deal about when and where certain biblical stories and passages were picked up.

    It is almost certain that the God and Heaven concept was a part of the very earliest Hebrew oral traditions. But it has become increasingly apparent that the Devil and Hell concepts were not added to the Hebrew scriptures until the Mesopotamian exile. During those years the Hebrews were slaves in Babylon, they adopted many of the religious customs and traditions of the local religion, including the Hell concept.

    It is also why the early part of the Moses story is remarkably similar to the much earlier mesopotamian tale of The Epic of Gilgamesh.

    So . . . Hell is probably not an original Hebrew myth, but one that was borrowed from Mesopotamia. But is does appear all over the Old Testament because it may not be original, but it is still ancient.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It is unfortunate that you are so devoted to your saint Dawkins that you have adopted his manner of referring to all religious people as idiots, jerks, morons and stupid people.

    Such inflammatory language makes people consider you boorish and intractable. It takes away from your otherwise logical message when you act like a common azzhole. Most azzholes are foolish, pigheaded, and half-witted. I'm at a loss as to why you want to appear this way.
     
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  5. martin

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2xGIwQfik&feature=related]YouTube - Dawkins vs. Tyson[/ame]
     
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  6. Bud Lee

    Bud Lee Call me buttercup

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  7. Swerved

    Swerved It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds.

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    Na I don't treat them any differently. But then again, I'm an agnostic.. As far as I'm concerned, Atheists could be just as wrong as Christians, Jews, Muslims, or any other religion... or right. :cool:
     
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  8. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    It has absolutely nothing to do with the belief (or lack of) and everything to do with the individual. My personal experience is that the Christians I know are way more touchy, but that's because the people I know who are way too touchy just happen to also be Christians. They're also touchy about their sports teams, automobile choices, etc.
     
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  9. martin

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    why do you think the principles of logic and reality that apply to math do not apply elsewhere?

    the world is math.

    you dont just make up premises, you dont accept premises based on faith. you are going to be wrong about the universe just as much as you are wrong about math problems if you solve them based on faith.

    it is EXACTLY as stupid for me to say 4 plus 4 is 18, as it is for you to make claims about god. i could argue that 4 plus 4 is 18, simply because it is, because of faith. you dont see how that is the same because you have been brainwashed your whole life to believe that faith is everything that it isnt.
     
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    TUSKtimes Riding the Wave

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    I've read of mathematicians who speak on the complexity of life and state that it is mathematically impossible for such life to have happened by "random chance." They are adamant their numbers prove such a claim.
     
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