Dems refuse honest debate on global warming

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  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Ah, yes. Shoot the messenger. Here's a few more Red can disparage:

    More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims


    .: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.
     
  2. USMTiger

    USMTiger Founding Member

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    I think for the first time in my life, I agree 100% with Salty and SF.

    Global Warming may be occuring. There hasn't been absolute proof of this, but there is good evidence, so we will take the premise. However, we have no great proof of what is causing it. The theory is "Greenhouse Gasses", but most of these gasses have been created through natural processes for millions of years (CO2). Another explanation could be the sun, which has been shown to have dynamic amounts of intensity, hence the ice ages we've had in the past.

    I'm all for protecting the environment, but to start these alarmist measures and impose penalties on the population when you aren't even sure if your science is correct is just stupid. And the fact that the people pushing this the hardest are also the ones who have set themselves up to make huge amounts of money means that there is a little more going on here than just love of planet.

    The UN is content to sit around and watch existing, live humans suffer by war, starvation, and disease, while doing nothing to prevent it. Why would they care so much about people 100 years from now?
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    There are tons of evidence, how can you ignore it? Just because of some doubters, most of whose doubts are political in nature? No one on this thread has made a scientific case against global warming yet. They just cite dubious lists of people who reportedly disagree.

    Duhhh! Of course it is the sun! Solar heat trapped by greenhouse gasses is the warming issue.

    First of all the science is correct, it is just politically incorrect. And what "alarmist" measures and penalties are you talking about?

    I've never advocated the Kyoto Treaty and other measures that has the US doing all the work and spending all the money. But neither should we do nothing. There is no reason not to do the easy and cheap things. But we shouldn't do the things that cost Trillions and take decades to achieve because of one overriding issue-- Peak Oil.

    Oil depletion is approaching rapidly (50 years) and long before it is depleted, it will become rare and expensive. Life as we know it will change dramatically unless some new energy source is discovered or breakthroughs battery technology and in wind, solar, and hydro power are found. As a result greenhouse emissions related to petroleum will start to drop steeply.

    But we still need to use clean coal technology for coal will be with us another 200-300 years and is a significant polluter. The fossil fuel problem is self-correcting, but it will take many centuries to undo.

    Who are these people again?
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You must hate it when your "experts" turn out to be . . . well, something less than experts.

    Hell why not go all the way. Here is a guy who has produced a petition of 31,478 "Scientists" who disagree with Kyoto and global warming. He even has Edward Teller, the inventor of the hydrogen bomb, as if nuclear physics has anything remotely to do with climatology. Hell, you can sign it yourself. Anybody who claims to have a science degree can become global warming expert. You don't even have to prove it.

    You know there are a handful of global climatologists who have written peer-reviewed papers in the scientific literature that discount certain elements of human-induced global warming, but nobody here has gone to find any of those and make a argument based on it.

    I could argue your side of this better than you guys are.
     
  5. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    In your world, yes.
     
  6. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    Wow. Who is strutting now Red?

    Plenty of credible climatologists and weather related scientists have debunked Gore's ridiculous claims. But you will never admit it. Pointing them out again so you can skip over them to get on another tangent is pointless. Be sure to get your bicycle and sunscreen ready. After all it's getting warmer. :grin:
     
  7. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    To be fair debunking the partially sensationalist claims of Gore is not the same as debunking the findings of the IPCC study on climate change. I have yet to see a paper do that.
     
  8. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    Truly, but isn't Gore's refusal to debate and the posted videos the topic at hand? Isn't Gore the poster child cranking up the heat?

    Pun intended. :hihi:
     
  9. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    No secret that Gore's best debate strategy is to avoid debate. A wise move on his part...
     
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  10. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    If only he could use the same techniques at the buffet. :lol:
     

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