CIA head has an idea where Bin Laden is

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  1. Mystikalilusion

    Mystikalilusion Founding Member

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    CIA chief has 'excellent idea' where bin Laden is

    NEW YORK (AP) -- The director of the CIA says he has an "excellent idea" where Osama bin Laden is hiding, but that the United States' respect for sovereign nations makes it more difficult to capture the al Qaeda chief.

    In an interview with Time for the magazine's June 27 issue, Porter Goss was asked about the progress of the hunt for bin Laden.
    "When you go to the question of dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play," Goss said. "We have to find a way to work in a conventional world in unconventional ways."

    Asked whether that meant he knew where bin Laden is, Goss responded: "I have an excellent idea where he is. What's the next question?"

    Right. We're currently fighting a war in the same region. One of the myriad of reasons for said conflict are seeking out and destroying terrorists. But we may know where Bin Laden is and we're afraid to step over diplomatic lines. Even though we invaded Iraq. And just because Iraq was not a sovereign nation, it was ok.

    What a loser. I could get more clarity and clear reasoning out of a post-fight Mike Tyson interview. I'd love to hear someone defend this chump and reason why we wouldn't just "do the damn thing" and wreck shop if we really knew where he was. The world hates the US already, that region in particular doubly so. Why would we care if Pakistan is added to the list?
     
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  2. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    That's pretty much exactly what I thought when I read the words 'sovereign nation' this morning. I literally busted out laughing at that.
     
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  3. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    Where the guy is hiding out is old news. I would say the reason for this being talked about, and considered news worthy, is an attempt by Time magazine to boost it's dwindling sales. People have been saying for months, that if he is still alive, he's somewhere in the mountians along the border. I do agree, however, that we should throw caution aside and start destroying the place until we find him or his corpse. Personally, I back India, and not Pakistan.
     
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  4. Mystikalilusion

    Mystikalilusion Founding Member

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    Then, why don't we go in and nab him?

    I'm much more down with throwing caution to the wind to actual take out Bin Laden. He's a martyr to the terrorists cause and he's still alive. Every breath he takes is a slap to us.

    And thanks to whomever gave me the negative rep points for my least inflammatory post yet. Please don't go back and read some of my really out there stuff.
     
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  5. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    Honestly, I don't know why we don't just go and get him. All I can think is that politics must be playing to big of a role in this war. I can think of no reason how allowing him to live could benefit us. Of course, I don't pretend to know anything when it comes to foreign relations. You know my opinion, screw them all. Besides Israel, I couldn't care less about anyone outside our borders. Without knowledge of the intelligence that is reviewed daily by higher ups, it is hard to have an informed opinion about our actions.
     
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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You are a contributor. Just go to your user panel and read the comments from your last five rep posts.
     
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  7. NoLimitMD

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    Yep, seems like pretty fuzzy politico-speak to me as well. I can think of no diplomatic reason for us not doing what we damned well please in Pakistan and Afghanistan to get this murderer. Somehow we care more about politics with these two armpits than with a major oil-producing nation? Hmmmm...yea right.

    On a related note, I have an excellent idea where Jimmy Hoffa is. Next question.
     
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  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I've been warning about Pakistan for years now. They are as big a threat to us as North Korea and far Greater than Iraq. Ask yourselves these questions:

    1. What Islamic country already possesses nuclear weapons?

    2. What Islamic country already possesses medium-range ballistic missiles?

    3. What Islamic country has actually sacked and burned a US embassy including killing a Marine?

    4. What Islamic country is the birthplace of the Taliban and where Taliban members go about openly?

    5. What country allows Osama bin Ladin and top Al Qaida henchmen to live there unmolested and won't allow the US to go and get him?

    6. What Islamic country is now headed by an unpopular military dictatorship and is in great danger of being overthrown by Islamic jihadists?

    We have not pushed the issue with Pakistan for three reasons:

    1. Bush has declared them an ally in the war on terror.
    2. They have nuclear weapons capable of hitting US forces in the region.
    3. They allow us to overfly southern Pakistan in order to support our troops in Afghanistan.

    But we must not trust the Pakistanis. This country is another Iran waiting to happen. They are led by a pro-American dictator who is despised by the people. They will eventually overthrow him because the army is not entirely with him. Then another religious fanatic will step up who will be anti-American. And this time with nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them.

    That is when we will go in and do what we have to do. We will hit al qaida where they live and we will take out their nuclear facilities, but we will have to kill a lot of muslims to do it, perhaps with nuclear weapons of our own.

    But Bush is mired in Iraq and wants no part of a war in Pakistan. The timing isn't right for America right now. We must free our military of the Iraqi burden and be prepared for a conventional war with a hostile power. You know, a real enemy that we can just hit hard, get what we want, and then just leave them to their own devices.

    I'm damned if I understand why we are wasting our military and our treasure trying to occupy a sandy spot where they people hate us and are trying to kill our soldiers why we try to build a democracy that they have no idea how to handle. Saddam is captured, his military threat is nullified, and there were no WMD's in the first place.

    We have worse problems in this world. A certifiable madman in North Korea with nuclear missiles and a potential radical Islamist state with nuclear missiles. A fool can see that these are likely conflicts in the near-future and the US military must be ready for it. Bush will do nothing, but the next president must extract us from Iraq and prepare for war with Pakistan or Korea.
     
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  9. NoLimitMD

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    Red, it really does seem that obvious. As the days go by and the non-Iraq threats percolate, the decision-making seems misguided. But I guess we don't have all of the information needed to develop an informed opinion, since we only live in a Democracy.
     
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  10. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    damn, that red is a war hawk.

    red, if we were not at war with iraq, when would you suggest starting a war with north korea and pakistan? do you think they will start something with us?
     
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