Christian fundamentalists are not qualified to be judges

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  1. LSUGradin99

    LSUGradin99 I Bleedeth Purple 'N Gold

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    Here ya go:

    http://www.tigerforums.com/showthread.php?t=31371
     
  2. kcal

    kcal Founding Member

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    It's okay not to believe in something...it really is..BUT before you dismiss somrthing as "stupid" or silly at least know what it is you're dismissing. There is no "before" Christianity. The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation has one common thread. That thread is Jesus Christ. God imposed moral law from day 1, actually before that when He cast down Lucifer (aka Martin :hihi: ) for his defiance. It's okay with me if you call me silly or stupid. I think you are too! Not stupid but silly.,,,btw, God doesn't care if you believe in Him either.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I believe I do. Yiu don't seem to understand the definition of a scientific theory. It is not a wild-ass guess.

    Jerry Wilson said it best:

    Lay people often misinterpret the language used by scientists. And for that reason, they sometimes draw the wrong conclusions as to what the scientific terms mean.

    Three such terms that are often used interchangeably are "scientific law," "hypothesis," and "theory."

    In layman’s terms, if something is said to be “just a theory,” it usually means that it is a mere guess, or is unproved. It might even lack credibility. But in scientific terms, a theory implies that something has been proven and is generally accepted as being true.

    Here is what each of these terms means to a scientist:

    Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to explain, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and univseral, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.

    Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, the law of thermodynamics, and Hook’s law of elasticity.

    Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.

    Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

    In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.

    The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law governs a single action, whereas a theory explains a whole series of related phenomena.

    An analogy can be made using a slingshot and an automobile.

    A scientific law is like a slingshot. A slingshot has but one moving part--the rubber band. If you put a rock in it and draw it back, the rock will fly out at a predictable speed, depending upon the distance the band is drawn back.

    An automobile has many moving parts, all working in unison to perform the chore of transporting someone from one point to another point. An automobile is a complex piece of machinery. Sometimes, improvements are made to one or more component parts. A new set of spark plugs that are composed of a better alloy that can withstand heat better, for example, might replace the existing set. But the function of the automobile as a whole remains unchanged.

    A theory is like the automobile. Components of it can be changed or improved upon, without changing the overall truth of the theory as a whole.

    Some scientific theories include the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity, and the quantum theory. All of these theories are well documented and proved beyond reasonable doubt. Yet scientists continue to tinker with the component hypotheses of each theory in an attempt to make them more elegant and concise, or to make them more all-encompassing. Theories can be tweaked, but they are seldom, if ever, entirely replaced.
     
  4. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    False. There are multitudes of scientific data and evidence that support evolution. How do you think the theory came to be? It wasn't some shot in the dark. The only 'proof' of Biblical accounts are symbolic stories that were translated and retranslated multiple times, and by people that were likely to put their own slant on it (I learned that in Catholic school:eek: ). Sorry, didn't mean to 'drag you ino this.' :hihi:
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Of course, there is a "before" Christianity. Jesus exists nowhere in Genesis. Nowhere until Mathew. Everything before that is Judaism.

    People tend to forget that Christainity is a Jewish sect. Christians worship a jewish God, venerate Jewish prophets, and cherish Jewish laws. Jesus himself was a Jew, not a Christian.

    Christian law, moral concepts, and prophesies came much later than their Hebrew antecedents.
     
  6. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    Your a moron. Of course Jesus was a Jew. Is that supposed to be news to us? How could Christ be a Christian? Was he supposed to follow himself? Since the begining, the promise of the Mesiah has been taught. Christianity flowed from Judaism, it didn't replace it. Jesus is the promised One talked about quite often in the Old Testament. I'm very proud to say that my boss is a Jewish carpenter. Also, how do we cherish Jewish laws? New testament law replaced this.
     
  7. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    You're a grammar champ.
     
  8. NoLimitMD

    NoLimitMD Founding Member

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    I think you're confusing two concepts...Jews as a race and religion, and Christianity as a religion. A fundamental precept of modern Judaism is to not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. By definition, Judaism and Christianity, while sharing common history, are mutually exclusive after the times of Jesus.
     
  9. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    Nope, never claimed to be. What's your point?
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The word is "you're". And "moron" is an insult forbidden by Brett. Read your user agreement and the sticky at the top of FSA if you don't understand. You are not free to call people morons and idiots and your posts will be deleted if you do. It doesn't help your credibility much, either.

    You missed the point, of course. The guy was arguing that there was no "before Christianity" and that Jesus was the common thread from the beginning at Genesis, which as you point out, is absurd. You agree with me and you don't even realize it.

    The Ten Commandments are no longer cherished by Christians? Nonsense. Moses was a Jew, you know.
     

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