Chinese / Russian Joint Statement on the "New World Order"

1. the reason you are annoyed is because the truth hurts, what he said is true, the far left is forever helping our enemy.
2. this country is not balanced equally between the left and right. do a google search. I dont recall the exact numbers but it's something like 44% moderate, 12 % liberal and the rest conservative.

It's not that everyone who disagrees with the right is the enemy, but any IDIOT can see that the far left is definately not in line with The US of A's national security interests. I am talking about the Micheal Moore types here Red.

Moore and his type may BE an american with every right to express his opinion and I think he should have that right, but never the less, his influence and others like him if strong enough undermines National Security. fortunately the US is big enough and diverse enough that the waves that the Ted Kennedy's make are only ripples in a bigger, smarter pool. thank god for that moderate and conservative majority... :usaflagwa

 

1. Just because it is within the limits of the Law doesn't mean it is good for your country.
Many times the law speaks for individual rights and this example is one of those. The two realms of "rights" run the spectrum from the individual's rights, which is the limit set by the whole group; to society's rights, this is the stopping point of an individual's rights, where society has deemed that denying him/her these priveledges is better for the whole. You can't charge a man standing on the street corner shouting, " death to all americans" with treason, but you can detain a man standing on the same street corner making remarks about killing the president.
It's all in what the public allows.

I don't know about "kooks" but the far right is either fewer or alot less outspoken than the far left. Oh you have your exceptions like J Fallwell and such. He would be more of the opposite of Micheal Moore than the criminal you mentioned.

I wouldn't call Tim McV right wing...but it is reminescent of liberal propaganda to classify him as such. It's insulting to any wing actually. :nope:

He is a terrorist, with an agenda and they come from all political arenas. left wingers can be Pyscho's too. Your insinuation was that the far left is peaceful and the far right is violent? typical....

And here I thought you were a moderate...tsk tsk.. :dis:

 

So, based on your statement, everyone who voted in the past two election is either left or right. You seem to be the one drawing the line in the sand classifying people as either/or. I'd say there are about 40 -50% of moderates in the middle.

I haven't advocated blindly following any leader. I made no mention of George Bush. Yes, I voted for him, because I agreed with him on some issues, but primarily because the alternative was one of the worst candidates in history. The opinion I expressed originally in this thread is independent of any political candidate. (Once again, however, because I have expressed an opinion that is viewed as conservative, you have classified me as a right wing follower of George Bush.)

Based on your views, they also seem to have the freedom to take no stand at all until after-the-fact, then rise up to point fingers and tell those who did take a stand and make decisions where they were wrong. You may call that moderate, but I think I'd call it something else. (Your previous posts regarding your voting record in presidential elections are a prime example of this.)

To be such a moderate, you are quick to judge someone when they offer a conservative opinion. Not sure which is worse, liberals with misguided opinions, or a so-called "moderate" with no opinion at all.

 

You said yourself in this thread you had no opinion to offer, yet you felt obligated to contribute the following words of wisdom:

I suppose that would be outspoken vs. opinionated?

 

aiding = helping. can be widely defined. Depends on what you consider "helping" I don't call it a "far' cry at all. the enemy is the enemy and I have no quarter for him. look up "no quarter" too many people want to coddle him, I want him to die. to the victor go the spoils.

Being "outraged" at the clinton admin does not make one right wing, although many right of center did disdain his leadership and methods. Many moderates were not happy about the way the ATF handled the Koresh/Waco incident. Just because you are "not" a liberal does not make you Far right. I would say there are VERY few conservatives, even hard line like Falwell who would place themselves in the same camp and political rhetoric as Koresh or Tim McV.
No one is in denial here. A person like tim McV doesnt have to "fit" in the nice little mold you've created such as far left and far right. By your theory I could venture to say Jefferey Dahmer was far left because he was a pedophile and gay. arent all Pedofiles and gay people liberals? well most gays are I really don't know about pedophiles. you see the leap here? it's a very braod sweeping statement and IS most certainly propaganda. To satisfy your request to "list" some terrorist/ serial murderer/ whatever/ I'll submit Jefferey Dahmer. This should show you how ridiculous your argument really looks.

no one is outraged. :dis: who are "you guys" ? I was not accusing you of aspiring to Moore's politcal doctrine, i was merely using him as an example. Like I did Dahmer and Falwell. Same diff.
In my opinion yes you did say something "untrue" I don't think McVeigh was a right wing kook. I think he was a "kook". whatever his political views were he is over the line. His personal agenda superseded anything that might have "fit" his political motive. The man was crazy, any focus he had politcally was just a justification to something he was going to do anyway. In otherwords he was going to pull his trigger regardless.

Actually I am conservative on some issues and moderate on others. too long to go into here. I have some VERY moderate views on labor laws.

There is no doubt there exists a far right as well as a far left. The far left is just far more outspoken. I would venture to say that since you have very broad borders in defining the far left and right, you could include nazi's on the far right and communists on the far left, it's all just where do you want the draw the line? Would Muslim extremists be considered far right then? I guess in this scenario and under your guidelines, Moore isn't so far to the left after all, I'd need to look past him to get the kooks in there too.

I guess it's easy to say one is sitting on the fence moderately and point a finger at the right and say " see how far to the right they go? Dahm look at that guy!" ............ than admit that in reality the reason his opinions look so far to the right is you're actually pretty far to the left. the fence is quite some distance from you. You don't know it though.

good day.