Cheney

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  1. macatak911

    macatak911 CRAIG STELTZ = BEAST

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    Has anybody been following this sneaky little man in the news lately? His office is refusing to disclose how many documents he has classified, as required by law. He says thats because he is President of the Senate he is part of the Legislative branch, and thus this law does not apply to him.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/26/politics/main2981956.shtml

    "Administration officials say Cheney's office is exempt from the executive order, since it has both executive branch and legislative functions. Per the U.S. Constitution, the vice president serves as president of the Senate, and may vote to break ties in that chamber. "

    I don't know about you, but I always thought the VP was part of the Executive branch. I mean, it's layed out in the little document some old people wrote long ago, but we all know this administration doesn't care about that....

    I mean Article 2, Section 1 only says:

    Here's a funny take on it:

    [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqDo9AupnlM[/MEDIA]
     
  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    as a member of the executive branch, what power does the vice president have?

    none. he does nothing. he waits for the president to die. he has no official duties.

    do we need to investigate all the nothing he has done, all the decisions he hasnt made?

    oh boy let us get to the bottom of the non decisions he made from his post as a nothing-doer.

    cheney's power comes from his role as an advisor to the president. the same role you or i would have if the president was our trusted friend. and we would also have the right to be left alone. if you have a problem with policy, your problem is with the president.

    think of any decision you think cheney made that you disagree with, then realize that he isnt really responsible for that decision.
     
  3. macatak911

    macatak911 CRAIG STELTZ = BEAST

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    If Mr Cheney hasn't made any decisions why the need to classify anything? Because acording to your logic he just sits around doing nothing waiting either for the President to die or a 50-50 vote in the Senate.

    "The informal roles and functions of the Vice President depend on the specific relationship between the President and the Vice President, but often include drafter and spokesperson for the administration's policy, as an adviser to the president, as Chairman of the Board of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), as a Member of the board of the Smithsonian Institution, and as a symbol of American concern or support. Their influence in this role depends almost entirely on the characteristics of the particular administration. Cheney, for instance, is widely regarded as one of George W. Bush's closest confidantes. Al Gore was an important advisor to President Bill Clinton on matters of foreign policy and the environment. Often, Vice Presidents will take harder-line stands on issues to ensure the support of the party's base while deflecting partisan criticism away from the President. As under the American system the president is both head of state and head of government, the ceremonial duties of the former position are often delegated to the Vice President. He or she may meet with other heads of state or attend state funerals in other countries, at times when the administration wishes to demonstrate concern or support but cannot send the President himself."

    -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States
     
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  4. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    why don't i force myself into your house and mess with your business?

    because you have no official role with the government. we, the american people have no business messing with your documents. same with cheney. you do not seem to understand that he has no real role. you should read your paragraph there again, and then understand what an "informal" role is.


    officially, that is exactly what he does.

    whoever is editing that wiki article cannot spell

    is that spanish for confidants?

    christ, that is embarrassing.

    again, tell me just one decision cheney made that you do not like. i will tell you that cheney wasnt responsible, and i will be right.


    edit: it should be noted that i am an ass, and adviser is apparently an acceptable spelling of advisor. mark this down as spelling error number 3 for me in the history of the board.
     
  5. macatak911

    macatak911 CRAIG STELTZ = BEAST

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    We, the American people have every right to be messing with Cheney's documents. Why? Just because of a presidential order that requires executive branch agencies to account for the classified information they handle.

    Martin, the reason I do not take anything you say about politics seriosuly is the fact you do not believe that publicly elected officials should be accountable for their actions. Christ, we're not even talking about revealing the classified info....we're talking about saying how many documents he has classified. Man, even my mother thinks Cheney is in the wrong. She's the most right wing extremist I've ever known.

    You are stretching the truth here martin. Do you believe the VP is part of the Exec. branch or the Legis. branch?
     
  6. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    that is like asking who the backup quarterback plays for, the offense or defense, and then when i answer, blaming the offense's performance on him, as he sits on the bench drinking gatorade and napping. he has nothing to do with the offense. if you want, you can claim he is a part of the offense, but he really isnt, until he gets into the game.


    again, the vice president has no real role in government until the president dies or is incapacitated or whatever. since he does nothing, his documents are not relevant.

    third time, what actions? what has cheney done that is disagreeable? he has no authority, and there no responsibility. of course officials should be accountable for their actions, but those actions are the responsibility of bush, not his backup.
     
  7. macatak911

    macatak911 CRAIG STELTZ = BEAST

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    Read this article then tell me the Vice President has no executive powers....

    http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200602160841.asp

    How can the Vice President have Executive duties but not be part of the Executive?
     
  8. macatak911

    macatak911 CRAIG STELTZ = BEAST

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    Who did Scooter Libby work for?
     
  9. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    that depends on what "executive duties" means. what does it mean? on behalf of the president?

    who cares? if scooter libby did something wrong, then scooter libby should bear the responsibility.

    if cheney breaks the law, he breaks the law, just like any other citizen. and just like any other citizen, he has the right to write things down that you and i can't take and read.
     
  10. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Give me a break!
    There are many documents the clintons and gores didn't provide in a timely manner if at all!
    Who did Ron Brown and that attorney who supposedly killed himself in the park work for?
    Ted Kennedy?
     

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