Cancer Clash between Govt and Cancer society

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  1. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    New Cancer Guidelines Say to Start Mammograms at 50, Not 40 - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News - FOXNews.com
    Am I to believe the government or the American Cancer Society?
    No brainer for me, I don't trust the government.
    We will see more and more of this kind of stuff as we moved toward socialized medicine.
    One reason this may be happening is that there will be less medical services available once we get to socialized health care.
    They have to find a way to ration health care and this is one way they can do it.
    This is just the beginning of this kind of stuff Imho.

    From the article:
    "The task force advice is based on its conclusion that screening 1,300 women in their 50s to save one life is worth it, but that screening 1,900 women in their 40s to save a life is not, Brawley wrote.

    That stance "is essentially telling women that mammography at age 40 to 49 saves lives, just not enough of them," he said. The cancer society feels the benefits outweigh the harms for women in both groups."
     
  2. Krypto

    Krypto Huh?

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    Once the government fully implements nationalize healthcare, you won't need any cancer screenings until after you die from the cancer.
     
  3. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    "Starting at age 40 would prevent one additional death [per 1000] but also lead to 470 false alarms for every 1,000 women screened."

    this recommendation didnt come from the gov really. the panel are MDs that are not gov employees (well, not, fed anyway).
     
  4. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I'm glad you responded, I've been waiting for this.
    In this country we use to do stuff like this to save one additional life because we always thought it would be worth it but times have changed.
    I'm sure you would be for it if that one person was your mother or wife.
    Well, they will soon work for the government.
    I don't trust any panel, whether its politicians, lawyers or doctors.
    Those MD's might have been bought and paid for by the stimulus plan.
    Better yet maybe that panel has the same agenda as the Libs, maybe everyone on that panel was selected, Libs just like the global warming scientists.
    Somehow Obama got the AMA on board, I'm sure money had something to do with it.:thumb:
     
  5. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    really SDMan you are cracking up. this is about public policy, not laws. it is similar to governments supporting vaccinations. a handful will die from them but its all about the greater good. no one is telling anyone when to get tested or how often. these are just recommendations.

    you are undervaluing the affect of false negatives.
     
  6. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    If you don't trust any panal then you shouldn't trust the camp that says women need screenings at 40 either.

    Maybe women should just read the studies and make their own decisions about when they need to be screened. Ya know just like it is now.
     
  7. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Agree but don't think that, as SD says, this isn't a peek into the future if Obama and Pelosi get their way.
     
  8. OkieTigerTK

    OkieTigerTK Tornado Alley

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    unless you are one of the ones that dies.

    i dont care if i was one of the 470 false alarms. id rather be a false alarm than die.

    screw the new recommendation. im going every year.
     
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    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    thats great, and wise. but my mom has had 4 false alarms and its taken some years off her life, i can tell you.

    dont know if you read it, but they also point out that even many of the true positives are moot. sure its cancer and not benign but itd would take 50 yrs to kill you.
     
  10. tima

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    To everyone flipping out, don't forget to multiply those 470 false alarms by the cost of the medical follow-up necessary to prove they're false alarms, not to mention the weeks of worry pending the results. That's the whole point, and IT IS ALWAYS A CONSIDERATION when devising guidelines. So, how much is that one life worth to you, and how much do you care about the suffering and expense inflicted on the 470 false positives, and really all of us, because collectively we all pay for it? What if reducing the age to 30 would prevent 2 additional deaths but raise the false positive rate to 600/1000? Would that still be worth it to you? Where EXACTLY do YOU draw the line? And for all you good conservatives, where exactly would you draw it for Medicaid patients?
     

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