Bush is a liar, and should be impeached.

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  1. Golden Tiger

    Golden Tiger Founding Member

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    First I would like to send my best wishes to your Friends who serve our country, I know what it's like because I was in the USMC during the first Gulf War.
    The list is long for why we are in Iraq, the big sign for you would
    or should have been 9-11. If they ever show a connection between Iraq and Al-Queda I could really not care, the protection
    of America is what we are doing. Just take a look at the Mid-East,
    you have many countries that train, support, harbor and fund terrorist, and we are the target. It has been many years that we
    needed to take the fight to them, and now they are starting to see what this country will do when threatened. Do you now think
    countries such as Syria or Iran or any others directly would support terrorist attacks aginst the USA? Hell no, because they now understand that we mean buisness, and we will bring the fight to them.
    President Bush put his foot down and said we will take them head on and we WILL WIN. It's not an easy thing to do but it sure
    beats the hell out of just sitting around while they attack us and doing nothing about it. Right now the worst job in the world would be a terrorist, you just never know when your clock will be punched out for good.
     
  2. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    They are there because they are in the military and that's what they do. This isn't some fraternal organization where everybody sits around in a circle and decides as a group what activity shall be accomplished. You get your orders. You go. And I seriously doubt that they would appreciate you wringing your hands and wearing out your worry beads over their decision to join. They are trained and perfectly able to take care of themselves.
     
  3. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    I guess all the liberal Bush bashers think the troops should be sitting around holding hands and singing protest songs.
     
  4. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Kumbaya:D
     
  5. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    A vote for McCain would be a vote to take away your second amendment right to keep and bear firearms. McCain runs with the Joe Lieberman, Hillary Clinton, Dianne Feingold, Chuck Shumer anti-gun crowd who are working night and day to strip you of your constitutional right to defend yourself, your family and your home.



    McCAIN ANNOUNCES ANTI-GUN SHOW
    CAMPAIGN WILL BE REVIVED IN JANUARY



    On Tuesday, U.S. Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) told USA TODAY that he will launch an aggressive campaign to promote S. 890—the legislation he authored with U.S. Senator Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) that would effectively end traditional American gun shows—as soon as the U.S. Senate convenes in January for the second session of the 107th Congress. In an effort to help move his stalled legislation, McCain has embraced the anti-gun organization Americans for Gun Safety (AGS) and the gun-ban lobby formerly known as HCI, as well as the shameless strategy these groups have adopted of exploiting our nation's legitimate fears over terrorism in the wake of the attacks of September 11.



    Even more troubling, perhaps, is the fact that Senator McCain is also parroting the AGS/HCI myth that "terrorists" use gun shows to pose a threat to national security. McCain told USA TODAY: "Clearly, alleged members of terrorist organizations have been able to secure guns and weapons using the gun show loophole," a bogus claim AGS began making within days of the terrorist attacks. NRA-ILA Executive Director James Jay Baker accused McCain, AGS, and others who attempt to link terrorist acts to legal gun shows of "trying to bootstrap on the Sept. 11 tragedy," and told USA TODAY, "None of the terrorism we saw visited on this country on September 11 had anything to do with firearms." (For the truth regarding the "terrorists at gun shows" myth espoused by McCain, AGS, et al., see NRA-ILA's FAX Alerts Vol. 8, Nos. 39 & 46.)



    It should not be too surprising to find Senator McCain reading from an AGS-supplied script, however, as the Arizona lawmaker and the anti-gun organization have schemed to promote attacks on gun shows for more than a year. AGS—founded and funded by billionaire and former HCI Board Member Andrew McKelvey—has committed to spend at least $1 million to promote McCain's legislation. So much for McCain's "opposition" to well-funded special interest groups, which has been the rhetorical crux of his efforts to pass campaign finance "reform" legislation.



    Besides Lieberman, McCain is also working to promote S. 890 with the Senate's most vocal anti-gun member, Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), and he has also recruited the help of Senator Mike DeWine (R-Ohio), a senator whose voting record on firearm legislation has been quite mixed. McCain, likely realizing he does not have enough support to pass his bill through Congress on its own, sent a letter to fellow Senate Republicans that informed them of his intent to attach his bill to another piece of legislation as soon as possible. The probable vehicle, as USA TODAY suggests, will be a "homeland security measure."



    U.S. Senator Jack Reed (D-R.I.), who has been promoting his own attack on gun shows—S. 767, the reincarnation of the Lautenberg Gun Show bill from the 106th Congress—apparently feels challenged by McCain's attempt to grab the anti-gun show media spotlight. He responded to McCain's announcement with his own, stating on the floor of the U.S. Senate, today, that he would also begin promoting his bill to end gun shows as soon as the Senate convenes in January.

    MORE:

    Lieberman-McCain Gun Show Bill

    Only the Names Have Changed--And Not To Protect The Innocent
    Despite many changes in terminology, Sens. Joe Lieberman and John McCain offer a gun show background checks bill that fails to address gun owners' most significant concerns. Like the failed Lautenberg amendment of 1999 (reintroduced by Sen. Jack Reed as S. 767), Lieberman-McCain creates immense bureaucratic restrictions without addressing real problems of the current national instant check system.

    Offers no incentive to improve criminal records. The Lieberman McCain structure for "delay periods" for investigation of background checks attempts to move in the right direction by ultimately allowing for only a 24-hour check. But with no real incentives for states or the federal government to improve the availability of computerized records, there is no reason to think that the 24-hour check would actually be achieved. And with a 3-business day period still allowed when an out-of-state record must be verified, a few large states could drag down the whole scheme.

    Creates an utterly unworkable system. As in the Lautenberg and Reed legislation, a person who sees a gun offered for sale at a gun show, decides against buying it, then months or even years later changes his mind and contacts the seller, would remain subject to the background check requirement. This utterly unworkable system would also apply to a gun that was discussed at a show without even being exhibited. Any realistic, enforceable background check requirement must be limited to sales at an actual gun show, of guns that are actually present at the show.

    Adds miles of red tape. Lieberman-McCain's two-tier system of regulation of gun show promoters as either "frequent" or "infrequent" "special firearms event operators" creates pointless complexity and confusion, especially since legal requirements for both groups are nearly identical.

    Sets up worst gun owner registration scheme yet. "Special firearms event operators" are required to submit names of all "vendors" to the Treasury Department whether or not any of the vendors sold a gun. Under this provision, a private citizen who enters a gun show hoping to sell or trade a firearm, does not conclude a deal and leaves with his own gun, would be on file with the Treasury Department in perpetuity as a "special firearms event vendor." This gun owner registration provision is more restrictive than Lautenberg or Reed.

    Wastes tax dollars in duplication of effort. Lieberman-McCain provides funding for criminal history upgrades but as a duplication of the existing National Criminal History Improvement Program. Lieberman-McCain includes a number of enforcement provisions that would be beneficial, but which also are already being achieved independently by the Justice and Treasury Departments with existing resources or through the appropriations process.
     
  6. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    That would do it. When George Bush, Saddam Hussein, Tony Blair, Osama Bin Laden, Kim Il Song, Yasir Arafat, Areil Sharon and Jaques Chirac all join hands and lead the world in a worldwide satellite televised singing of Kumbaya backed by the music ot the Dixie Chicks band all the evildoers will lay down their weapons and help to usher in the "Dawning of the Age of Aquarius" What a great opportunity for Michael Moore to film another Oscar winning "documentary"
     
  7. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    :D :D :D
     
  8. JD

    JD Founding Member

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    Re: Positively NOT

    Trying to make sense of the double standard of the right wing, particularly the neo-confederates, in this country just makes your mind spin - it's impossible.

    Blow jobs are impeachable. Selling arms to the ayatollah is laudable behavior.

    Redistribution to help a poor man is bad; redistribution to help the ultra wealthy is good.

    It goes on and on and on.
     
  9. Bestbank Tiger

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    He might try the Constitution Party or the Libertarians.
     

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