Democrats Bernie Sanders Effect on Democrat and HRC politically

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Veteran Member

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    bernie pulled 25,000 to a Seattle gathering, 15,000+ to the Portland event blown up by the Black Lives Matter fools and continues to draw support that any candidate would drool over. Is this a lasting movement? How is he getting so many with so little money and staff? Is he really a threat to HRC?
    Look all know my political position and of course it would make my day to see him topple her or pull her so far left she won't be able to get back to the center.
    However I also think his rise is a fascinating event in this political season. Like the tea party favorites on the right is Bernie just an expression of the extreme left's anger? Is it a genuine sea change? What do you think my friends left and right? Don't say what you want to happen but what you think it truly is and how real and deep and lasting is his run.
     
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    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    It won't last because he doesn't have the capitol and the DNC will not allow it. They will do everything possible to win and I just don't think he could win a general election sadly. He is by far the best candidate in the field and the only one talking about real issues.

    I think he and Trump really speak to how fed up Americans are with the same ole shit. Washington insiders that will do nothing but continue to bleed the middle class and continue to give the rich and poor their handouts.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Seattle and Portland. It's the most far left part of the country. He has to do well there because his socialism act won't sell in middle America. Like Bill, Hillary's support comes from center-leaning progressives not ultra-liberals.
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Probably a mix of anti Hillarious Democrats and left wing wackos. Sanders has no chance, especially if Joe Biden decides to run. His crowd of 25,000 in Seattle would be more like 250 in New Orleans or Atlanta. He is not the anti-Trump. He has no money. It would be interesting if he did have the kind of money Trump has to burn through. If he did the Hildabeast would be in serious trouble. Oh, wait. She just might already be in serious trouble with the DOJ
     
  5. Winston1

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    You would think so but he's getting big crowds in some decidedly less liberal locations. 3,000 in Minneapolis, 5500 in Denver, 9500 in Madison WI, 11,000 in Phoenix AZ, 5200 in Houston, 4500 in Kenner La & 2500 in Council Bluffs IA. Yes much of his base is far left but look at the attendance in Phoenix, Houston and Kenner those aren't bastions of socialism. The data come from this link. It has several links to back up the figures. http://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3ewqij/im_compiling_a_list_of_bernie_sanders_campaign/
    I'm not predicting anything but like ISIS he isn't the JV. Bernie is getting a response most of the other candidates R & D must envy.
     
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    Winston1 Veteran Member

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    BTW @red55 how many would attend a HRC rally anywhere? Same question is valid for those Republican candidates not named Trump.
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    HRC rally might be a good place to pick up chicks if you can play the sensitive and caring liberal role. Red's got the liberal part down pat but he would struggle with the sensitive and caring part.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    She's only held one so far and it drew 5,500. She's the frontrunner and doesn't have to get early name recognition like Warren and Sanders. Its a long race and she won't peak too early. But she can pull supporters. She pulled big crowds in 2008.
     
  9. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC It's Been Long Enough

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    Great thread, Winston. This is a story I've been watching carefully. In the beginning I thought that Sanders was an afterthought who would fizzle out and die. I am now beginning to think that his candidacy has some merit and unless HRC can do something to stem his tide, she might have more of a fight on her hands than she bargained for. More than anything else I think that Sanders has tapped into a growing populace of people, from both sides of the spectrum, who understand that the economy has changed significantly over the past 30 years and raising or lowering taxes is no longer a feasible way to get things moving again. The new economy requires a new way of thinking. Aside from his remarks regarding abortion access in the debate the other night, I thought Rubio really had a moment when he talked about this very thing. That we are not talking about Wal Mart anymore, we are talking about Amazon. Things have changed and I have seen it manifest itself in my industry, furniture, with online stores popping up every day and less foot traffic in the brick and mortars.
    To answer your question I don't know if it is the sea change that we might need in how we think economically, from both parties, but I think it might certainly be the beginning of the end for those who continue to prescribe the same old solutions. To be honest with you, Sanders is growing on me. Not everything about his platform but his willingness to call a spade a spade is attractive.
     
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    Tiger in NC It's Been Long Enough

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    at this point she may be a little afraid to hold a rally for fear that it won't produce the way Sanders has.
     
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