Obama Benghazi

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  1. Perple

    Perple Founding Member

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    Is Chris Stevens still dead?

    Relax...have some Skittles..
     
  2. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    4 people are still dead and the president was nowhere to be seen, or heard from that night. Hillary never paid attention to the emails for extra security and threats. They blamed it on a movie and had an innocent man arrested so as not to endanger reelection chances. They demoted the men that tried to get assistance to the ambassador and promoted the idiots that lied to cover it up. Talking about an ass backwards administration.
     
  3. uscvball

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    Obama has exposed our special forces. He's rendered them less effective and therefore, less safe. Think about it. Before the American captain was rescued from Somali pirates by Seal Team 6, did the general public know much about them? Hell no. And we had no reason to. People have zero idea what our government is really involved in. We take our best and turn them into GTK's. Then they come home and Obama is using them as a PR ploy. Sick scum.

    We will never get the real story on Benghazi. The Farm has made sure of it.
     
  4. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    this is all conjecture and is not substantiated by the facts. we've already gotten the whole story on Benghazi and, terrible as it was, there is no proof whatsoever that any wrongdoing was committed. and not because it hasn't been investigated to the nines and back. further, to say Obama has exposed our special forces is naive and forgetful of the fact that Obama's use of special forces have escalated and have resulted in the decimation of Al Queda. your accusation that obama has used them as a pr ploy is unfair because it's a double edged sword: if he doesn't give them credit then guys like you pounce and say, "look at sorry Obama not giving credit where credit us due...."

    there are plenty of other credible areas to criticize Obama but benghazi isn't, and has never been, one of them.
     
  5. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    They did increase security,at the request of Stevens, In the weeks leading up to 9/11 for one. They decreased his security staff and on the night it happened Barry was MIA. He bases his decisions strictly on poll numbers and political consequences. I would like to see Hillary or Michelle or even John Kerry in the exact same position as those men in Benghazi that night. If Michelle get caught in that kind of situation, especially if she's out vacationing again. Do you think they'll scramble jets and get a response team heading her way? Or will they say fuck it. It'll be too late by the time the jets get there?
    If there is nothing to it. Why did they make the other 30 or so survivors sign Non Disclosure agreements? Has congress even been able to talk to these people about the events?

    What made Benghazi worse was the intentional cover up. For 2 weeks they blamed a movie and went so far as to arrest the film maker. That's bullshit right there. And the MSM went along with every bit of it.
    And to say the military couldn't get there in time is total bullshit. Doherty received the message from Stevens at 21:30. He charters a plane and takes off from Tripoli at 24:00. Arrives in Benghazi and gets detained by ragheads at airport for a couple of hours. Finally gets to compound at 05:30. Now I know a F16 is faster than that. Hell they could've flown a Warthog there in less time than that. But. That's politics for you. Barry had to get rested up for his campaign rally.
     
  6. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    Do you realize there was an investigation that was conducted by an Inspector General and Congress which turned up no evidence of a cover up? There is a very good and valid reason why no one is discussing Benghazi anymore and it is because, as terrible as the situation was, no one did anything criminal or malicious. So this "intentional cover up" of which you speak never existed, my friend. About the only thing you got right was that they incorrectly blamed a film maker initially. Geez....I guess you probably also forget that during the raid on Benghazi, while everyone was scrambling around to find viable options, we have Mitt fucking Romney holding a press conference to criticize the administration for the attacks while it was still ongoing. This drew sharp rebuke from congressional and senate republicans the following day. This was never a scandal. This was the Republicans attempt to create a scandal, just like they have done with the IRS.
     
  7. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    Congress is still investigating Benghazi. CNN just quit showing it. The IRS scandal is still being investigated. So far they've traced the orders, to scrutinize conservative groups, back to Washington. Seems the Cleveland patsies didnt appreciate being thrown under a bus and had enough sense to talk.
     
  8. uscvball

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    Not substantiated by facts you say....but you claim we have already gotten the whole story. Really? Can you substantiate that claim? Exactly where did the "whole story" come from?

    There is plenty of proof that Benghazi was nothing more than a CIA set up to provide Brennan a place to do his dirty deals. Unless and until the key players speak out, we will never even get close to the truth. Our government is involved in cover up. It's not new and Obama isn't the first. But he does play the game.

    Again, prior to the Somali pirate incident, Who in America knew about ST6? They were in use long before that and nobody needed to know. The men who do that job are less effective now with so much attention on them and their families feel less safe. All so Obama could look like a Commander of some "really cool" commandos. "Guys" like me aren't interested in ripping Obama over not using special forces. I care about the men who do the work. They are government trained killers. It isn't glamorous or cool or a video game. They and their privacy/security have now been violated....by the very government who trained them and directed their activity. When they "retire" that same government will be slow and ineffective in helping them assimilate or deal with their PTSD, and they will have it. Shameful.
     
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  9. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    your damn right I can substantiate that claim. The accountability review board that was convened to investigate the events of 9/11/12 and led by a bi-partisan group headed by Tom Pickering, UN Ambassador under GWB and longtime Republican and Mike Mullins, former Chairman of joints chief of staff. The Accountability Review Board found no evidence of a cover up or wrong doing. Further, Issa refused to allow these gentlemen to testify publicly because he knew their investigation didn't fit his political narrative.

    who didn't know about seal team 6? it's probably the worst kept secret in the world. so your self-righteous indignation toward the President for "outing" this group are unfounded. I am a veteran so I have as much respect for what those heroes do for the country as anyone else, but the notion that they are somehow in more danger because of Obama's effusive praise you are way off base.

    further, you are the one making accusations of a cover up....where is your proof? I have provided a particular study and investigation to support mine....what do you have other than the right wing media outlets?
     
  10. uscvball

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    So the government told you there was no government cover up. Okay. Question....did either General Hamm or Admiral Gaouette give testimony to the review board? Have any of the Benghazi survivors been questioned by the board or by Congress? I'm sorry, but we do not and will never have the complete story. Brennan will make sure of it.

    If ST6 was so well known, then why was there a media frenzy about them over just the last few years? Why were their covert ops only recently discussed? They were there for the Black Hawk Down disaster....yet most people don't know that. Delta got the attention there. DevGru should have remained out of the media and public eye. My concerns are not unfounded.

    I don't get my opinions from media outlets, right wing or otherwise.
     

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