Anyone still believe in the merit of Affirmative Action?

If you think that blacks have it bad, go rent the movie Osama and read news
reports and national geographic specials on the Taliban and Al Quaida in Afghanistan.

Also all these beheadings of innocent people are worse than what blacks have had in decades.
All the slave masters and slaves are dead, let them die.

 

Sure lets act as if Slavery and Civil Rights never happened, fine with me. :dis: :shock: :shock:

 

Don't even get me started on this issue. By the way I have an interesting question. Say that I am applying to law/medical school and I am white and was my parents were born in South Africa can I put that I am African-American?

Think about that

 

Well sh!t then son let's just go back to the Old testament and count the Jews that were toted off to babylonia and then lets not forget all the slaves ( black, greek & eygtian ) that the Romans took. Surely there is record of it somewhere, after all didn't the slaves have to march before the chariot of the conquering generals?

Hey we can even get Joesph's brother's to pay him back, didn't they sell him to the egytians and tell their father he died? Don't want to forget him. heck by now Joesph's decendants from the old testament would be numbered in the millions right? :dis:
Hell lets just lump in the slaves the Japanese took in manchuria right before the war, heck that is from recent history. And for God sakes lets don't forget the Nazi's they enslaved a few million Poles, Jews and others. :dis:


Man get off this black thing. Blacks have about as fair a shake as any race in history if not more so with AA. quite your damn whining and do like Colin Powell. Set a standard for Blacks by example.

 

Can you imagine how difficult it must be to be a member of the admissions department of a diversity worshipping university?
I'd ask for a photo just to see how African-american you really are.
I don't know how the professionals in the admissions departments handle such pressing issues, that's why they get the big bucks I guess?
I just know they would rather tear down the school, shut down operations and commit mass suicide before they gave up on diversity.

 

but technically i would be african-american. both parents are of african nationality. the applications do not say what color you are. if that was the case then what about an albino african american?

These are ridiculous questions because this is a ridiculous issue

 

In terms of forgetting the Civil Rights movement, i think we have... if you remember, the civil rights movement was about equality, aka doing away with a separation of races... wasn't it Martin Luther King Jr. that preaced about a colorblind society? So in terms of forgetting the Civil Rights Movement, I think we have, at least forgot the meaning behind it all. How sad that those who suffered are now being used as an excuse to continue the practice of labeling one by his/her color, though now reverse in its focus....

and lets just ask one more question to LOTTERY.... you talk as if there are no poor white kids in this country ('give me proof' etc.) and you talk as if all black people need this help (aka, no rich black people exist).... now my friend, how can you not see that you are the racist here placing people in their stereotypical roles and further enforcing the divisions that do not exist but are simply furthered by people who lump whole races into categories where they do not fully belong? THIS is the biggest argument against AA, that it simply furthers the division by continuing preferential treatment based on such a meaningless category as skin color instead of categories such as economic status, educational status, etc.... so is it racist? Yes, but America allows it because it is un-Politically Correct for racism to enflict a white citizen...

 

This is one reason why AA is such a hard issue to discuss, it is very easy to get off topic and start talking about things that have very little relevance to AA such as slavery. First, TE I agree with just about all of what you said but what difference does it make if slavery happened in Africa also, it makes what happened in the Americas no less horrible and demonic. That being said -- slavery is over, I don’t blame anyone living today for it and although I understand the logic behind asking for reparations for slavery, I won’t be mad if don’t get my check.

One of the things AA does deal with is the lawful and systematic denial of the constitutional rights of Blacks in American after reconstruction until the late 1960’s, especially in the Jim Crow south. Tax-paying black citizens were denied the basic rights and services that all citizens should have. Blacks could not live, work, go to school, etc., in many places supported by their tax money. And unlike slavery the monetary effects of this can be calculated. One thing AA attempts to do is make up for this imbalance especially dealing with the subpar or in some cases non-existent educational opportunities available to blacks during that time.

And again, AA is not just a black – white issue. But it is hard to have a legitimate conversation about AA when arguing about how many people died during slavery. The answer is a lot.

 

Very very true about the irrelevance of the slavery argument, but lets put a big ol' bold type around the lines when you said "until the late 1960's" and "during that time". As you agree, those conditions plagued almost all African American's nearly 40 years ago, and the basic argument that has been said over and over again was that AA had its place and had a grand motivation way back when; but now it has become more an issue of skin color than social/economic need... AA had its place, AA served its purpose, and AA has been warped into a tool to legitimize separation and preferential treatment. A good thing twisted to a bad end whereby the word 'equality' has been defined as giving someone preference over another.