850 Billion Dollar Stimulus Package

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  1. DRC

    DRC TigerNator

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    Agreed, this could only be classified as a stretch of GARGANTUAN proportions. All it took was 3 to get beyond filibuster. 95% of republicans voted NO, Its impossible to characterize that as republican 'support'.
     
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  2. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    What we need is a few more moderates on this board!:lol:
     
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  3. mobius481

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    Why does everyone say TARP didn't work? Because the economy hasn't returned to the mid to late 90's type of explosion? Come on people, there is no magic solution. Nobody knows if TARP has worked or not. My opinion is that it has done what it was designed to do which was stop the bleeding. Our credit issues now have just as much to do with economy as a whole rather than unhealthy banks.
     
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  4. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    The economy rebounded from the 1981-82 recession because of tax cuts. Just sayin'...
     
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  5. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    You didn't get the memo?
    Democrats= good
    Republicans= bad

    Does that seem to be the world we live in or what?
     
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  6. DarkHornet

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    Seems to me you are implying that the previous two were Republican bills. Okay.

    But this one is bi-partisan? Let's take a look at this bi-partisan standard, shall we?

    H.R. 5140:
    Sponsored by Nancy Pelosi and cosponsered by 10 other Democrats and 5 Republicans.
    Vote: Democrats: 46 Yes, 3 Not voting
    Republicans: 33 Yes, 16 No
    (Can't find the senate vote, will update if I do)

    H.R. 1424:
    Sponsored by Democrat Patrick Kennedy Cosponsered by 274 others, most of which were Democrat
    House Vote: Democrats: 221 Yes, 3 No, 7 Not voting
    Republicans: 47 Yes, 145 No, 6 Not voting
    Senate Vote: Democrats: 39 Yes, 9 No, 1 Not voting
    Republicans: 34 Yes, 15 No

    Those previous two are Republican bills? But this one is a bi-partisan bill?? If you're not a liberal apologist, I'd hate to see you if you took the plunge.
     
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  7. DRC

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  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I'm just asking you to cite an example of what you call pork AND THEN to explain why it doesn't contribute to the stimulus. That's simple enough.

    Cop out. You said "The stated goal of this bill is to stimulate the economy in the near term." But the bill doesn't say that.

    Now you're making a separate argument as a distraction. What we're talking about here is the tax cuts and credits that are a part of the stimulus. It's not their money. It's taxes owed the government. Allowing people to save that government money instead of spending it absolutely defeats the purpose of the stimulus. You haven't thought this out.

    Quit being naive. Bush's watch = republican bill. Obama's watch = democratic bill. At least the democrats backed the Republican president's industry bailouts better than the republicans have backed Obama's broad-ranging stimulus.

    You can't show me anywhere I've said that and you damn sure don't know what I think. Don't put words in my mouth. I'll speak for myself here, you speak for yourself.

    The stimulus isn't about increasing government involvement in our lives, it's about focusing national resources on a national problem. Shake off your right-wing politics and try to understand what an total economic collapse would mean for government involvement in our lives.

    You characterize it as wasteful, but you won't discuss a single example of it. I'm quite sure there is some waste. I can't imagine a bill this large that wouldn't have some. But I don't think you can establish that it is FULL of waste or that most of the bill will not do exactly as it is planned-- to stimulate the economy.
     
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  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Yet the economy tanked under post-2000 tax cuts. Go figure . . .
     
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  10. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    F'ing things up for a hundred Alex:

    What/Who are Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Chris Dodds, Barney Frank?

    Answer: Things not heard of in 1982
     
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