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  1. Geekboy

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    Re: Bama Board Getting Nervous (Recruits)

    Exactly. The admin was probably nervous where that was going.
     
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    Re: Bama Board Getting Nervous (Recruits)

    Considering I understand the mentality of that board...I can tell you exactly why it was locked.

    1) look at the post count
    2) look at the registration date
    3) look at the time of the post

    Typical drive-by...nellie doom and gloom is how it was perceived.

    Those were the determining factors.
     
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    Not really. Curley Hallman we would like to forget--four years, four losing seasons. But Dinardo really was the magic man. He came into a program coming off six straight losing seasons and took LSU to three straight bowl games including a 10-win season. He convinced the NCAA to let LSU wear the traditional white at home again and he was genuinely likeable guy.

    Like Cholly Mac before him, he allowed himself to be too loyal to assistants who were not getting the job done (primarily Lou Tepper and his pathetic defensive scheme which "takes three years to implement") The wheels came off and Dinado had to go, but he is not hated at LSU or forgotten. He was far better than the forgettable Mike Archer and Curley Hallman and he recruited the players that Saban won with in his first two years at LSU.
     
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    That statement is what gets to me Red. I'm not pointing directly at you, because I don't recall you having said anything about Miles winning with Saban's players.

    But, here is where I see the logic falling apart. Saban won the first two years with Dinardo's players, but Miles isn't winning with Saban's players...at least, that's the case when the recruiting discussion come up.

    I remember a lot of people (rivals) against OU saying that Stoops had won with (name escapes me...African-American head coach before Stoops...John?) but if you looked at his roster you saw a lot of Fr. and Soph.s. Same was said about Stallings (Curry's players) but again, a lot of youth.

    It really isn't a point of contention, more like a waste of bandwidth. :lol: It's funny though, how the same situation can be used to describe different scenario's but it's still different. ??? Did that make sense?:confused:
     
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  5. Geekboy

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    Re: Bama Board Getting Nervous (Recruits)

    BS. The thread is still on the front recruiting page. The current thread above it has less posts and was started earlier in the day.

    This locked thread began at 3:30am in the middle of the night and the thing was shutdown before noon? It has over a thousand views yet nobody can participate.

    No. It was locked for other reasons.
     
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    The answer is obvious, Terry. Most of the starters in the last two years were Saban's recruits. This year, however three classes of Miles recruits will be playing and the "Les wins with Nicks recruits" line will becime increasingly meaningless.

    Now, does Nick point out that he won with Gerry Dinardo's recruits his first two years at LSU, including his first SEC championship? Les will point that out. Nick will also be playing with Shulas recruits for a few years. If he wins, he'll never mention this. If he loses, we'll hear a lot about how Saban "needs to get his own players" into the program.

    I think this whole line of questioning is essentially meaningless. Coaches always inherit another coaches recruits. Curley Hallman actually recruited fairly well and sent a number of players to the NFL. He couldn't coach them worth a damn, but Gerry Dinardo came in and had three straight winning seasons with those players.

    It ain't just the players that make a team a winner. Les Miles gets too little credit for starting with two 11-win seasons. Nicks recruting classes averaged 3.7 stars per player and guess what . . . Les Miles' classes average exactly the same.
     
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    ccgw luv'em Tigers

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    In retrospect, I think Miles and his staff did heck of a job in keeping the team together through the grinds of the Katrina experience in that 11 win 2005 season . That is no easy feat any staff and the team:thumb: For Saban to say that his staff is better than LSU's to the recruits, that's pure BS and salestalk. No respect; way too much arrogance for Saban. Although memory can be short, I doubt if LSU fans will ever view Saban favorably as they ever did.
     
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    We forgot about Dietzel, after about 20 years! But Dietzel never did what satan did at Miami. Dietzel came back to LSU, but he kept his reputation clean after he left LSU. satan lied to Miami, then quit on them after 2 years, with a losing record, failing to accomplish what he set out to do. I don't think satan ever comes back to Baton Rouge, except as a visitor.
     
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    A lot of people never forgot Dietzel's defection and he wasn't a particulaly popular AD. He basicaly was hired because the Board of Supervisors was stacked with his former players who wanted their old coach back.

    How different things might have been for LSU in the 80's if they had given the job to Charlie Mac, who really wanted it and deserved it.
     
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    correction: I don't think satan ever comes back to Baton Rouge, except as TIGERBAIT.:grin:
     
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