Drop the Anti-Saban stuff

Thanks for posting that fact! Remember that Bama fan who got on the radio show and talked about how Bama "made" coach Fran, and how dare he leave Bama? That little interview was sent around the world for a few weeks! At that time, the fans were livid. They said #1 - he lied to them and he was worthless. They also said #2 - if it weren't for Bama, Coach Fran would have never gotten the A&M job - which in their minds was a step down (obviously a step up for Coach Fran).

So, why don't LSU fans get to vent? Same reasons Bama fans vented (and in my opinion had LESS to vent about - at least Coach Fran didn't decide to coach a SEC WEST TEAM!!!!!!!) Similarities with Coach Fran situation:

#1 LSU fans believe Saban is a liar. He lied about leaving LSU and then about leaving the Dolphins. These are the facts, and his verbatim comments are all over the internet. Lying is the focus of the espn article by Pat Forde.

#2 - if it weren't for LSU, Saban wouldn't be making 32 mill. Do you think he earned the reputation for being a good coach from his Dolphins experience? Seriously. Now, I for one believe that the LSU/Saban relationship was a mutual one. Yes, he helped LSU win a national championship. BUT, LSU also helped HIM win a national championship. LSU gave him the resources, control, support, etc. So LSU deserves credit as well.

So, let the fans be upset. Saban lies, shows lack of character, shows lack of loyalty by coaching a SEC West team just TWO YEARS after leaving LSU!!! While he might stay at Bama forever, just wait until the OSU, Michigan or Notre Dame jobs opens up. Don't think for a second that he'd not put in a call for those jobs. They don't call him suitcase Saban for no reason.

Even more reason than the Coach Fran situation.

He took a job at a SEC WEST school 2 years after coaching at LSU - he will be competing against a team that HELPED HIM win a championship. What a "thank you".

He lied, he's not loyal, but he's now yours. As an aside, I think it is a little tacky that Bama's AD went so hard after him - after he was at LSU just two years earlier. Again, my guess is if the tables were turned, there'd be a mob of Bama fans ready to start riots - and additional radio interviews would pop up on the net.

 

I've always been a Saban supporter until now. I'm very gratefull for what he did for LSU.(NC,SEC,New Facilities, Stadium Expansion Football and Baseball) It's a new ball game now. He made his bed let him sleep in it. If you Turd I mean Tide fans don't appreciate your new coach being slammed I would definately not show up at the LSU Bama game in 2008. Saban is only receiving about .0001 percent of the ridicule on this forum as he'll receive that day. I promise you he will dread coming to Death Valley as long as he is the coach at Alabama. He's quickly going to experience Death Valley from another perspective.

 

I sort of look at the situation as dating a woman..... You can hook up with a hot female for a while, she leaves you for another woman (something we men really can't compete with....more of a lifestyle choice).

She breakes up w/ her girlfriend and puts feelers out to see if you would take her back, but you are dating someone else. She decides to go out with a guy in your office instead, because he is available.

You are mad at her, because she didn't choose you, even though you are happy in the relationship you are in, but you remember the good times the two of you had and know that you won't have them and you either hate the guy she chose or you have respect for the other guy in a competitive manner.

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I know what my sign will read.

$aban Rate Sheet
All Charges Per Hour
Oral: $500
Regular: $1000
Anal: $1500
DIV I Head Football Coach: $2000

 

Unfortunately he may try to draw the recruits from LSU as well because of his prior LA connections; the plus side to all this is that his character flaw may hurt him on the long run now that he is a proven repeated offender, i.e. liar who abandons people and fans that support him.

 

First off, Congrats on the ND beatdown...it was a great pleasure to watch. :grin:



Now onward to Saban, It seems to me that I recall that the main reason given for him to leave MSU for LSU was that he wanted to be the top dog in the state. The money was nice of course, but it was all about recruiting. He was tired of having to fight for recruits. I did'nt really pay attention to the given reason for leaving LSU. I would have to assume that it was something like "I can't do anymore here,I need more challenge"

Can he work his magic at Bama? I think he probably can. Provided boosters and alumni don't mess with his team. Having to fight the rest of the SEC teams for talent is probably easier than dealing with NFL egos. I expect in a year or so Bama will at least be challenging for the division title.


Near as I can tell the guy is a pretty good coach. Not sure about character questions about him. I don't remember any real problems in his program when he was at MSU. Possibly the J Smoker thing with smoking pot, I think the Saban recruited him and then left. I killed a few memory cells myself over the years, so exact dates kinda move around in the old brain.


Anyway, congrats again on the Sugar Bowl win, and remember competition is good for all of us. At least thats what I keep hearing.....



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you remind me of this girl i dated who i could tell it was midnight at noon time. naive as it gets.

Saban in no way regrests leaving the "college lifestyle" and the "teaching of young men". Not to the extent that it was the motivation in returning. Saban came back because he saw the writing on the wall at Miami and he was a failure. Not his record specifically, but with his players and evaluation.

Saban thought he could verbally undress his players much the same way he threatened them in college. That stuff dont fly with grown professionals atop their craft. Much less the ones who make more than him and perennial pro-bowl selections.

I was in the camp that truly believed he would be successful even at the NFL level, yet he admitted to himself he was incapable of doing such when he decided to jump ship. Dont be so naive to think he's not spinning this entire ordeal.

Jay Glazer on Fox reported during one practice, Saban was unhappy with Zach Thomas, the heart and soul of this team the last decade and unequivocal team leader. So Saban singles him out and questions his manhood in front of the team. Glazer then explains how thomas had to be restrained because he was about to stomp a mudhole in little nicky's ass.

This is the problem in the transition that Saban cant fathom. These guys are professionals and even moreso men. respected, proven men at this level. something he isnt.

June Jones, who worked with saban for two years under glanville, and is a good friend of nick, said his style is more conducive to the college players because theres no way most star players would ever play for him. He said Andre' Rison who was on their atlanta team, would never play for nick saban under any circumstances. Said he knows this for a fact. His egomaniacal style does not work there. At least not from an unproven coach. Therein lies the problem.

Nick realized he was in over his head. He was following his heart? well he was, actually, since his heart told him he had lost his team with two examples being Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas. Two Pro Bowlers and team leaders. His salary cap was no better than when he arrived as daunte culpepper is now a head case and may never be the same again. He knows he plays in the tougest division in football and belichick isnt likely to be leaving that division anytime soon.

Saban's dream was always the NFL. everyone knew this as its no secret. He had coached as an assistant for many years and thought he could handle it due to experience and namely ego. As anyone can see, he left a team worse than when he arrived because the talent hasnt improved, the players are left soul searching and a year older to an already old team, and they are handcuffed financially with players they cant move.

Plus theres a huge vacuum left behind because saban had control of not only player personnel but right down to the hired janitors. No one knows who does what now or even where to start. He didnt screw LSU, he screwed the Fins royally and i think its shameful.

if you still believe the saban spin machine then yes, I will still love you in the morning.

 

if you say so.

looks to me you believed he really liked the college lifestyle.

you can do better.