How would you feel about our season if Saban was the coach?

I assume all LSU fans are fans of Saban. He did great things for our program and it's only natural for fans to compare our current coach to him.

 

I would feel that Saban had lost control of his team, which wouldn't be Saban-esk. I never was the biggest Saban fan, but he was always in control of every aspect of the team. And wouldn't accept sloppy play either.

Now when LSU hired Miles, a lot of fans were disappointed because he wasn't a big name coach. But my first thought was that Saban wasn't a big name coach either when he was hired and that turned out pretty well for LSU. Two SEC titles and one NC.

Now every one knows that I don't like Miles. But it's NOT because he's not Saban. I just don't like his conservative coaching with a team with this much talent. Maybe now that Miles has a taste for what the SEC is all about, maybe he might re-think his philosophy and be more agressive. And I would be more than happy to be proved wrong by Miles and would be the first one to admit I was WRONG. But right now I don't see that happening. Let's hope it does and I say we start with the Canes in the PB in two weeks.

P.S. How ironic that LSU end the season the same way it started....with Hurricanes!

 

I really thought we would win the SEC. Still a very good season.:usaflagwa :laflagwav :geauxtige :thumb:

 

Are you serious????

Not stellar, huh. Let's run through it real quick.

Oklahoma State's final record by the year.

1989- a4-7
1990- 4-7
1991- 0-10-1
1992- 4-6-1
1993- 3-8
1994- 3-7-1
1995- 4-8
1996- 5-6
1997- 8-4
1998- 5-6
1999- 5-6
2000- 3-8

That's 1 winning seaon in the previous 12 years of Miles being hired at OSU. Now let's see Miles's record in his time at OSU.

2001- 4-7
2002- 8-5
2003- 9-4
2004- 7-5

It looks like it took him one season to turn around a program that was a perennial Big 12 bottom feeder.

I guess you would only consider him to be good at OSU if he had won national championships or Big 12 championships, but hell he was only their 4 seasons.

I would say he did a REMARKABLE job at Oklahoma State.

And, it is interesting to note, the 1st year he leaves Oklahoma State, they go 4-7.

Coincidence???

 

He did do a real good job at Oklahoma State, and I am thinking he will do a great job here at LSU.

 

I hope you are right. But, you seem to be hanging on Les's recruiting ability in hopes of him being successful, moreso, than his coaching ability. Personally, I think it was pretty easy for Les to get Jimbo to stay because Jimbo wanted to stay at LSU and in the SEC. I think it was probably pretty easy for him to get Bo Pelini because Bo was a co-coordinator at OU and would have his own defense at LSU and he possibly got a raise in salary. And I believe RP was on his way to LSU, no matter what. I could be wrong about all of that, but I could be right. I am not discrediting Les with any of that, I just don't think any of that was as difficult as some may believe. I do, however, think his hardest hire was Karl Dunbar.

I am concerned about Les's relationship with his players and how nice he is to them. I know they all like him, from what I hear, and that is a cause of concern on how much they respect/fear him.

 

I believe that the main aspects for a coach to be successful are his abilities to recruit both players & staff. Jimbo was gone until Miles convinced him to stay - maybe Miles didn't have to do too much convincing because he wanted to stay, but he still took the initiative to retain him in an attempt to gain some continuity on offense. Bo Pelini never even considered the LSU job before Miles went after him. Following one of the greatest defensive minds in college football? Not exactly a dream position for a coordinator. So I don't think your giving Miles enough credit on selling LSU to him. On top of that, Miles still had to pick out these coaches, which is one of the best coaching staffs LSU has ever seen (despite this year's results).

It works okay for Pete Carroll. Different coaches win different ways. I don't care how he does it.

 

I have watched the SECCG about 4 times..... I think that the players just ran out of gas. It isn't Miles Fault we had 2 blown coverages inthe 1st Quarter that produced UGA TD's. UGA just simply looked quicker at times. It seems like 5 of the last 6 games were so draining.

I think that it is still early to Jugde Miles. I am very happy of what he accomplished this year. He is not the dynamic figure that Saban is and some people miss that (I do as well). Miles is a different kind of coach. We can all be thatnkful that we are comparing our current coach to our previos coach, as opposed to one who coached in the 60/70's... (see Bear Bryant)
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So what do you think about Miles's coaching abilities? YOu say a lot about his recruiting of coaches and players, but don't speak much about his coaching abilities in everything.......from A-Z. Or do you just not know?

As far as Jimbo was concerned, why in the world do you think he was gone? To go to NC State or Miami or even Cleveland? No way. Fisher does not want anything to do with either and probably never has and maybe never will.

As far as Pelini, you are reaching when you talk about him following one of the best defensive minds in college football as a reason not to come here. At LSU, he probably got a step up in pay and the chance to run his own defense and a chance to try out the SEC, as well as coach a bunch of talented players. What's so miserable about that? Doesn't seem so hard to me. You are acting like it was just so haaaaaaaaaaaaaard to get the coaches, and I disagree.

Personally, I think Pete Carroll's reputation as a "nice" guy and "players" coach has taken on a life of it's own. He is not near as nice as Les and Pete can be an ass, despite was some may say. And please don't make any attempt to compare Pete and Les, seriously. We'll see how he does

 

I don't know exactly. I just have guesses. My guess would be that he's an okay coach, and Saban was only a good coach, not great IMO. I believe Miles knows how to run a good offense capable of winning games. If we have good coordinators & coaches, I don't think the head coach needs to be a good coach per se. I don't think there's any way to really know how good at "coaching" a head coach is. I mean, if the results are there - does he get credit? Surely the coordinators deserve most of the credit.

I don't know if he was gone, just that he could have gone if he wanted. He could have gotten some NFL experience... Other than that, nobody but Jimbo really knows what else he could have done, but I guarantee he had other options.

In reality, it's probably not as easy as you make it seem nor as hard as I make it seem, but I'm not trying to say it was that difficult for Miles to do, just that the fact he did it is impressive to me. Because, despite how easy you make it seem, not many other coaches can go out & do it as well as Miles did & before ever coaching a game here no less. Did Miles have any say in the pay of the coordinators? I'm pretty sure he did with Pellini, although I don't know about Fisher. So he would get some credit for being willling to pay the price for a great coordinator...

Well, I don't know how Pete Carroll runs his team - all I know is his reputation as a players coach. That's all I know about Miles as well. If it's been exaggerated about Pete, couldn't it have been exaggerated about Miles? I'm not comparing Miles & Pete's results...

I don't mind discussing this, but it's all really pointless. If Miles gets the results I expect him too in the future, we'll all be happy.