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  1. Meh I don't know, like I said earlier, the only ones that are whooping it up and proudly flying a rebel flag are probably not the most educated folks. I'd think it safe to say that none of them are accomplished historians.
  2. True. I'm just questioning the motive and the attempt by them to somehow appear principled. It's all about the green, which almost always trumps black or white or brown, etc.

    So we have a shooting by a declared racist. Walmart won't sell flags but they'll still sell guns because they want folks to be comfortable, lol. Yes, the hypocrisy is astounding.
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  3. Kudos to Walmart. You can't defend yourself and your family with a flag.
  4. Not at all. I am suggesting that you shouldn't expect ME to disrespect my Confederate heritage because you are uncomfortable with it.

    I and many other Confederate-Americans have long denounced its use by the KKK, the Aryan Brotherhood, and other hate groups. We are willing to decline to use it in instances where it is insensitive in this day and age. My high school team was and remains the Rebels. The band wore Confederate artillery officers uniforms when I was there, including the black kids in the band. That sort of thing, I think we can walk away from. It's an insensitive usage that is not historical at all. It was done when folks were steeped in the "lost cause" narrative which itself was an overreaction to Reconstruction, which was an overreaction to the war itself.

    I fully agree that the confederate battle flag has been abused by modern racists and is used to cause trouble. It is improper to fly it over capitals anywhere. It is insensitive to put it on bumper stickers, T-shirts, and orange Dodge Chargers. But museums, civil war battlefields, illustrations in civil war books, and over confederate cemeteries and veterans memorials are entirely appropriate in a historical context. This is where I don't want to see the current overreaction going.
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  5. No, but that is not what I'm talking about. It should be removed from the state capitol. But some have called for its "eradication" which is absurd and counter-productive.
  6. not one second, I have said people can fly it privately or do whatever they want with it, but it should not be over the statehouse. Thats been my argument from the start of this.
  7. Here is why is a bad argument. Under the United States flag, a wrong was corrected, fought for and plenty died for my rights. Why would I hate the American flag.
  8. It's one thing to remove the Rebel flag from capitals and other public buildings out of respect for the feelings of a significant portion of our citizens but to try to remove all traces of any memorial to a person
    because of his association with the Confederacy is a stupid attempt to rewrite the history books.

    Robert E. Lee, General Beauregard, Stonewall Jackson and the others commonly memorialized by statures were not evil men. They were products of their time. As were the following presidents who were slaveowners:


    GEORGE WASHINGTON (between 250-350 slaves)
    - THOMAS JEFFERSON (about 200)
    - JAMES MADISON (more than 100)
    - JAMES MONROE (about 75)
    - ANDREW JACKSON (fewer than 200)
    - Martin Van Buren (one)
    - William Henry Harrison (eleven)
    - JOHN TYLER (about 70)
    - JAMES POLK (about 25)
    - ZACHARY TAYLOR (fewer than 150)
    - Andrew Johnson (probably eight)​

    - Ulysses S. Grant (probably five)​



    Washingon, Jefferson, Jackson, and even union General Grant are on our money. Any idiots with a can of spray paint want to spray your own money?​
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  9. I dont know if the gun debate is the right thing here. I can call a few people to get an illegal gun. My point being that if someone wants a gun, they will get it in this country. If they buy it from Walmart or get it from a drug dealer with 10 bodies already on it.
    now a mental health debate might be the right argument.
  10. im sorry thats bullshit, you dont know if they were evil or not. Product of their time is a cop out. What about those who didnt own slaves and were against it?
    But wanting to continue to own a human being and fighting a war over it, is pretty much an evil person in my mind.
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