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RIP Joe Paterno

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islstl said: ↑

"Hey Joe, I just witnessed Sandusky anally raping a kid in the shower".

"Ok, I'll past that little piece of information to my AD and then wipe my hands clean of this. I'm sure they will take care of it accordingly."
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See, this is so off base!

JoPa told the witness to report this to the proper authority. That is all he or anyone could do.

onceanlsufan, Jan 23, 2012

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It makes me sad to see all the Joe bashing today. Believe me, ever since this scandal broke in November, I have been one of JoePa's biggest critics.

But he is gone, and at least for now, i'd like to remember all the good.

Thanks to BigTen network for showing some old Penn State games today.

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onceanlsufan said: ↑

See, this is so off base!

JoPa told the witness to report this to the proper authority. That is all he or anyone could do.
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And yet he still allowed an accused child rapist to continue to hang out with kids at the football complex.

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Robidoux87 You call that a double?

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Wildcard said: ↑

And yet he still allowed an accused child rapist to continue to hang out with kids at the football complex.
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Thank you.

"Hey, there's Jerry and a kid again. I wonder whatever became of that whole rape situation? Well, I'm sure someone did something. Tough game with Northwestern this Saturday."

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islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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You might try reading this LAST INTERVIEW if you care: Joe Paterno’s first interview since the Penn State-Sandusky scandal - The Washington Post

Here is an extract for those that are to busy:

“He was very upset and I said why, and he was very reluctant to get into it,” Paterno said. “He told me what he saw, and I said, what? He said it, well, looked like inappropriate, or fondling, I’m not quite sure exactly how he put it. I said you did what you had to do. It’s my job now to figure out what we want to do. So I sat around. It was a Saturday. Waited till Sunday because I wanted to make sure I knew what I was doing. And then I called my superiors and I said: ‘Hey, we got a problem, I think. Would you guys look into it?’ Cause I didn’t know, you know. We never had, until that point, 58 years I think, I had never had to deal with something like that. And I didn’t feel adequate.”

At that point, Paterno set up a meeting for McQueary and Curley, the athletic director, and Schultz, who oversaw university police. McQueary has testified that he gave both men a far more graphic description of what he witnessed, which he believed to be Sandusky sodomizing a boy of about 10, who had his hands against the shower wall. At the preliminary hearing for Curley and Schultz on Dec. 16, McQueary said he had been reluctant to go into similar “great detail about sexual acts” with Paterno, out of respect for the coach, who was 75 at the time.
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Wow, I almost had it right word for word.

islstl, Jan 23, 2012

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onceanlsufan said: ↑

JoPa told the witness to report this to the proper authority.
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You're making shyt up.

From the previous post:

‘Hey, we got a problem, I think. Would you guys look into it?’

And for those who want to jump on the "well he wasn't told in explicit details" train, all that was needed was "Sandusky", "10 year old" and "shower".

islstl, Jan 23, 2012

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onceanlsufan said: ↑

I don't recall JoPa seeing anything in the locker room.

But .. let me know what you do when you actually find yourself in that situation. We'd all "like to think" that we are in the 10%, but the reality of it all is, 9 of 10 of us are just blowing hot air.

You never know until you've actually been in the situation.

I remember another test that they ran on bullying. Basketball, one of the actors was an endomorph, gay, not very athletic. Other actors were instructed to bully the kid, then they introduced another kid, who was not in on the act. The other example was with girls. Out of the whole scenario .. you see guys try and divert the situation to something else. Only 1 girl out of the whole bunch stood up to defend the attacked. She was a site to behold, .. a very morally grounded person who just would not tolerate such behavior. Her mom was so proud. The other moms .. not so much .. even though, some of them were sure their kid would shut it down.
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If you're at D-1 football coach with the power of JoePa and an allegation of child rape was brought against one of your assistants and happened at one of your facilities, I'm not sure how can you possibly sit there and say 'well, we like to think we'd know what to do, but unless you've been in that situation...'. No, I'm sorry, that doesn't work here. At least not for me. The right thing to do is perfectly clear. I realize JoePa is NOT the monster that did this, but his inactions possibly lead to more children being hurt.

And by the way, the scenario you mention about bullying involved children, not adults. Any adult that saw what was happening is obligated to stop it. Besides, while both are wrong, bullying and child rape are not even in the same stratosphere.

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islstl said: ↑

You're making shyt up.

From the previous post:

‘Hey, we got a problem, I think. Would you guys look into it?’

And for those who want to jump on the "well he wasn't told in explicit details" train, all that was needed was "Sandusky", "10 year old" and "shower".
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No ... your confusing what he told the AD, and what he told McCreary.

McCleary had additional talks and meetings with higher ups, and according to McCleary, he met with the CPolice department.

Somebody from the police department needed to followup with Sandusky about the claim. That was not JoPa's job.

onceanlsufan, Jan 23, 2012

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StaceyO said: ↑

I'm saddened by Coach Paterno's death. It's beyond sad what happened to those young boys, but the assertions that Paterno is just as guilty as Sandusky is truly unfair.
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Indeed. But this canonization of Paterno by Penn State fans is both unfair and shameful.

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I agree with oceanlsufan. I believe that he did think he was doing what he needed to do, following a chain of command. The ball was certainly dropped along that chain. What would any of us have TRULY done after reporting to our superiors an allegation reported to us, which we did not witness?
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Again, he was doing what he should have done, regarding chain of command at a university involving a crime. But he also had the authority to totally and instantly ban Sandusky from the football program and athletic facilites. He facilitated any abuse that happened after the incident.

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There's a lot of blame to go around, but the blame game also gets out of control in our society. Joe Paterno has died, and I'm sure that this scandal and tragedy hastened his demise. But I still think he was a better man than was represented in the past two months.
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I agree. Even the best men made bad decisions that they regret. But those become part of the legacy, too.

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God help us if we are all defined by the worst thing we have ever done.

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