I didn't say that, I just said I wouldn't accept the ones you provided and I wasn't going to provide any because I don't know of any. I also stated, it's probably impossible because there are so many variables you cannot control.

That's the crux of the healthcare issue. Of course from an intellectual perspective, of course it's not, but if you're in that 5% I bet you would think it is.

Dude, you have no idea who you're talking to. I rail on doctors all the time. I think they are a massive problem with our healthcare. I had a doctor who owned a clinic tell me once that he is a businessman first and a doctor second when we talked about how he runs his clinic. Don't even get me started on the over prescription of antibiotics and the lack of patient education about when antibiotics are needed and how they should be taken.

I don't agree we can get better healthcare for a lot less money but I do think we can get virtually the same healthcare for a lot less money which is what we should be trying to do.

They're faulty

I agree. i was actually going in a bit of a tangential direction. The nature of healthcare and the situation which I described is the reason we cannot treat it as a purely capitalistic for profit endeavor. When you're running from a hurricane, there are price gouging laws that gas stations adhere to. Unfortunately, Healthcare is always "running from a hurricane" in a sense. When you're sick or hurt, you would literally pay anything to get better. This is why it has to be more heavily regulated than most republicans want.

Of course. Those are the greatest impediments to having a successful healthcare system in America.

I guess we're trying. Some of us anyway. We certainly are not succeeding yet.

I went over why they're faulty several times.

When I went to healthcare.gov......well, about the 9th time I went to healthcare.gov I was summarily turned down, which I expected. I did it more to see what that process looked like and honestly I don't know what you have to do to be accepted by the web site but I was able to get rates through blue cross blue shield, who will give you a quote based on your income (personal) or the size of your business (commercial). Try them if you live in Louisiana or another state that do not have exchanges set up. If you live in a state with an exchange I am sure there are more options.

Yeah, I've already gotten my rates from BCBS. I'm hoping they're wrong or trying to fear monger me because my rates go up by almost $600/month.

Are you moving from an HDHP to a HMO/PPO model. I just figured out a little bit of a reprieve. My wife, an kids can stay onth HDHP for another year.