The way I see it, if AU wins the Sugar they can claim anything they want to. I watched the Rose Bowl last year, and SC walked off the field claiming to be the National Champs. AU, if they want, can do the same exact thing. Now, casual fans and the media may not call AU National Champs . . . but if I were an AU fan and we won the Sugar, I may feel like we are the NCs. Anyway, it doesn't matter we won the thing last year and we have the trophy to prove it! Geaux Tigers!
Maybe it's just me, but I detest claiming an MNC that wasn't duly awarded..... it shows a lack of respect for the game, and at least questionable class. It's rather "Bammerish," IMO. That being said, Auburn must still get by a tough Va Tech team..... and truth be told, many of the AU players are real down right now. Based on one player's comment, I don't believe that any of them -deep down - felt their accomplishments would be so completely ignored. Campbell had superior stats to Leinart and White in the majority of statistical areas, and he did it against far better defenses that any of the candidates....yet he wasn't even invited to New York. I'm hopeful that the senior leadership will get them to snap out of it, but a 3 week layoff is a longtime to wait, especially with all the chatter going on. I wouldn't touch the spread on this game, even with your money. Then again, I might be a little aprehensive if I were a player in the Hokie secondary :thumb:
agree on the claiming part. thats pretty gay but the bathouse boys are secure in their homosexuality. Not that there's anything wrong with that. where did campbell's stat outdo lyingheart's? So I was right in assuming they are down. normally you cannot tell or they deny it. I won't buy the 'we have something to prove' theory which is bound to be tossed around. As I told you before when you told me to take AU to the bank against Bama, I took Bama. You're too close to the situation. Hokies win this one outright. doesn't mean AU doesn't deserve to be in the NC game yet its what the hacks will say. Similar to LSU last year. If we woulda lost in the runner up bowl, they woulda said the same thing. I suppose a requirement to have an AP vote is a double digit IQ at best. preferably one closer to room temperature.
:lol: A AUbarner calling someone else out for lack of "Class" ... Charity starts at home ... geaux give your AUBarners there "FB Etiquette & FB Class 101" lessons Funny you would allude to the University of Alabama on this forum ... and try to degrade them while "moaning like an unpaid whore" over lack of ... "Class" Nobody cares AU & CTT are singin' those "AU got shafted by the BCS" blues. That's a travesty for the SEC ... who suffers because AU is part of it Believe it, AUbarner ... your accomplishments were completely ignored ... not only by the pollsters and the BCS ... But by the SEC and their coaches as well ... who "PAID AU nothing but LIP SERVICE" ... but failed to raise "HOLY HELL". THERE IS NO SOFT TEAT FOR YOU TO LAY YOUR HEAD ON ... AT LSU or ANYWHERE ELSE Merry X-mas & Happy belated Halloween CTT ... another bag or stocking full of rocks ... one rock for each classless post-game comment or transgression at the expense of another SEC team or SEC head coach and their fans who have witnessed your "LOW CLASS" actions and words for far too long. If this post seems rather "Tigerish" ... good. It comes from my heart ... and I hope this gets posted on a "Bammerish" forum also ... IF AUBURN WANTS TO BLOW THE TRUMPET & TALK/SHOW CLASS ... PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH I truly believe it's time for the following ... A complete and honorable apology to the entire SEC, every SEC head coach affronted by Classless words and actions of CTT, and every SEC fan that has had to suffer indignities and poor sportmanship at Auburn's hands. The apology should be delivered at SEC Media days and signed by the entire Auburn coaching staff and every ex-player ever responsible for any BS. Every Tubberville post game remark should be reviewed during his tenure as an SEC coach ... listed on said document ... game date and year ... Post this thread in an Auburn forum and send it to the AU SID ... if you've got the stones for it. Even a "Tigerish" CTT hater such as myself ... on witnessing a "MOST DESERVED" humble and heartfelt apology ... would be inclined to accept such an apology ... AU's (ultimately responsible for CTT) & CTT's comments and actions have degraded the SEC for many years and have resulted in what's happening to Auburn right now ... If you can't see that, you can't see the forest for the trees ... and I pity you ... This coming from a former FB player and Booster who knows where LSU is headed in these next few seasons. Or, just ignore the "WAKE-UP CALL" and go back to sleep ... a deep, dark, long slumber ... where AU is just a second-rate school in a great conference. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SEW ... TIME FOR AU TO SEW SOMETHING ELSE ... OTHER THAN HATE & DISRESPECT ... PERHAPS THEY CAN SEW TRUE CLASS & SPORTSMANSHIP TIME FOR AN AU APOLOGY TO THE ENTIRE SEC ... LONG OVERDUE
Campbell v. Leinhart Official NCAA Stats for the complete season I-A Passing Efficiency #3 Campbell - 172.7 (faced 4 top 25 pass defenses including 1 and 3) #6 White - 162.9 #9 Leinart - 154.5 (faced 2 top 25 pass defenses highest was VT at #5) So on paper looks like Campbell was more efficient against better D, just didn't match raw passing stats...
In some of the most important categories for winning: Passing Efficiency : Campbell ranked 3rd nationally, well ahead of White (6th) and Leinart (9th). Completion % : Campbell ranked 4th nationally, ahead of White and Leinart. Yds-Per-Att : Campbell ranked 2nd nationally, againn ahead of Leinart and White. TD-to-INT ratio? .... better. 12-and-oh, SEC Player of the Year. Broke Danny Weurffel's '96 SECC Passing record by throwing for 431 yards in the title game. Weurffel won the Heisman that year. And Campbell did it in the SEC, against the best Defenses in the nation - a conference with 4 teams in the BCS Top 15 (as many as the Pac-10 and Big 2/Lil' 10 conferences combined. And all despite only playing 76% of the offensive minutes as he sat on the bench during mop up. The LSU game was the only exception to an entire conference beat-down ..... all led by Campbell. Campbell led his team in victories over more quality teams than the entire Pac-10 or the entire Big 12. Like I said, I don't know if he deserved to win the Heisman, but he sure as hell earned a spot in the Big Apple.
he had 2 of the best backs in the country which helps a tad in efficiency. I take nothing away from campbell....I told people early on he deserved most of the credit for the team's success because regardless the OC or the Rbs, it starts and ends with campbell and he made huge plays when it counted. unfortunately, you're blinded by his performance because to win the heisman as a qb (based on history of the voters), you usually have to be in contention for the NC or simply gawdy stats, or both. JC has neither and does not deserve the heisman based on that alone. At least get that misnomer out of your head. impressive kid, yes. great season, yes. heisman? doesn't even deserve an invite imo. Id invite caddy and brown and allow one vote count for both and let them share it if they won.
True, but you can't say that White and Leinert didn't benefit from the same advantage. Both had Heisman candidates in their backfield, Brown and Williams were way down the heisman list, unlike Bush and Pederson :nope: in contention for the NC? Yep, I'd say 12-0 qualifies. gawdy stats? Yep, certainly the gaudiest east of the Mississippi. BTW - I don't feel I'm blinded at all. We're saying virtually the same thing. I indicated I didn't believe he deserved to win it, but he certainly deserved to be on the Top 5 more than Leinart....... the only people "blinded" are those that don't see the media bias.
Not sure if he should be in NY but he did have a great season and deserves much credit for AU's success this year. However the Heisman is no longer given to the best player in the nation but to the best hyped player in the nation. Leinhart and White were in the running from last year while JC's previous seasons caused the media hype machine to look the other way. How in the world do you explain Reggie Bush being considered with his very average stats? Answer....media hype from the USC loving press. JC would not get my vote for Heisman but his stats say he should be considered as much as the othe two QB's.
