BP Gulf Oil Spill

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, we don't know this yet. A lot must be investigated. I think it is more likely that Transocean and BP were just operating at the edge of current technology and believed that they were well-insured. It's risky on the edge.

    No one has a lot of experience with blowout preventers at 5,000-foot depths. A 5,000 foot stack of 21" pipe came down and possibly damaged the blowout preventer.

    If it was failure of the mechanical ram face, which seems likely, then no actuator, wired, remote, radio or otherwise would have helped. These devices are designed to slam shut, not be flowed through. It's not a valve that must be turned.

    It's going to be a long time until they can investigate the BOP and the sunken rig before they find out what failed here.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    But he did try to blame environmentalists, who have nothing to do with the spill. Like you say, keep politics out of it.
     
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    Doesn't it though. I expect that BP is insured out the Wazoo. But their insurance companies are going to delay and fight every payout dollar.

    Nootch was right in his early posts. Lawyers have been all over these operating agreements from day one. There is extreme accountability that will flow out from TO and BP to prime contractors, subcontractors, fabricators and operators and responsibility is spelled out from lots of experience in these things. It might be one failed part that caused a cascade of issues or it could be a rare combination of circumstances that allowed this to happen, but they will sort it all out, probably in court.

    All in all it's a big chit sandwich and everybody is going to have to take a bite.
     
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    There is nothing political in his post. Lawyers and environmentalists WILL do exactly what he said...and in fact, already are. That's not political...that's vulturistic. Only thing is, they don't wait for something to die before they start feeding on it's "carcass".
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    Here is an update...some actual good news!

    BP says it has slowed the oil leak | Fox10tv.com

    Certainly not time to breathe easy, but this is great news. They are experiencing weather that will allow them to be able to work, and they are starting to put some ideas together that will help.

    They have slowed the flow significantly, and they will now try to deploy a second ram that will completely stop the flow. I assume they haven't been able to do this earlier because:
    a)weather
    b)hadn't thought of that :huh:
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Not if you are politically opposed to environmentalism. Don't be naive.
     
  6. OkieTigerTK

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    there is plenty of blame to go around in this. i have read other places people blaming the govt. or people blaming "big oil".

    imo, both could have reacted differently and more efficiently. both could have done things to possibly prevent it.

    the companies must be more willing to add the costs of doing things that arent certain to prevent accidents, but add more layers of protection. and if they arent, the govt must have the fortitude to say "you will".

    in this case, im not so sure bp was as on top of it as they should have been. just call me skeptical. but at the same time, when it started becoming how obvious it was that it was gonna be much worse than feared, the govt should have stepped in and not waited for bp to ask for help. its a balancing act and both could have reacted faster, imo, to do things to lessen the impact, or at least slow down the major catastrophe so more shrimp/crab/oysters could be harvested.

    i think lawsuits are gonna turn up some embarrassing things to both the govt and bp.
     
  7. Fishhead

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    Yes sir.:rolleye33: I believe I am one of the few that are NOT naive. Sea turtles have been washing ashore in MS for WEEKS...like PRE spill. Yet today, it's a big news story, and of course, it has to do with the spill. I bet you believe it...even though there is no oil on the turtles, they are literally rotted on the beach, which doesn't happen very quickly, and as I said...it's been going on for WEEKS.
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    Here's what the environmentalists are spinni...er...saying. There isn't any oil on the turtles, so they must've ingested oil tainted fish. THAT sir, is where your alleged naivety lies...and unfortunately, most of the public that sees these reports will run with it, and more lawsuits will follow. Hell, my own MOTHER brought up the turtles this morning while I was visiting the parental units. She bought it hook, line, and sinker...and she's FAR from left. Every dead fish found anywhere on the Gulf Coast will be attributed to the oil spill. Hell, I saw several huge dead drum floating the last time I was out on the bayboat. I'm sure, even though it was April 1st, it probably has to do with the oil industry...seeing how naive I am.:cool:
     
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    i think that little autopsies being done on the turtles (which yes, is being planned) is actually a good idea. if there is an oil factor we need to know. if not, then we need to know. both sides of the argument need to know the ramifications of this spill with facts, not speculation.
     
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    The Mobile Press/Register is now running a story saying BP execs are refuting that they have been able to slow the leaking. :angry: The prior link I posted was quoting a BP exec...so I guess they can't even decide if the annualar rams activated or not!
     
  10. LSUGradin99

    LSUGradin99 I Bleedeth Purple 'N Gold

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    Damn :(

    BP says U.S. Gulf leak flow rate unchanged | Reuters

     

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