End of Net Neutrality

LSUsupaFan · Jun 18, 2014

mobius481 said: ↑

Let me first say, I don't understand the issue 100% but here's how I see it and if I'm wrong, let me know.

They're going to pass the cost along to consumers and that is fine. High usage consumers should pay more for the data they use. The problem is these companies are essentially monopolies and will be given the right to control not only the cost structure of content deliverers and receivers but also what content is delivered. What stops Ted Turner from bandwidth restricting Fox News if he owns a cable company. Or the Koch brothers from MSNBC. The cable companies then become the controllers of information. It's not just about cost in the long run.
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Maybe nothing. But the problem is that the whole model is already screwed up. South Korea is the freest country in the world. You know what they don't have. Cable monopolies. Until that is solved nothing really matters.

LSUpride123 · Jun 18, 2014

LSUsupaFan said: ↑

Well that is true, but maintaining the status quo does not fix that very real problem.

Few nations have better service than the US, and those that do are all small and have much higher population density. That allows a less infrastructure to bring high speeds to more people at less cost. If you look at nations with similar size to the US, Brasil, Russia, Australia, and China... we smoke them.

The only thing that will improve that is more competition, but our model does not allow for that.

Never going to happen. Lobby is too strong. They won't even lose this battle.
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Oh they'll lose.

mobius481 · Jun 18, 2014

LSUsupaFan said: ↑

Maybe nothing. But the problem is that the whole model is already screwed up. South Korea is the freest country in the world. You know what they don't have. Cable monopolies. Until that is solved nothing really matters.
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I can't imagine anyone disagrees with that. How will these laws unravel the monopolies that currently exist? What do you propose to get us to a situation like South Korea? And How is South Korea set up to not have monopolies? Unfortunately, I'm afraid due to the sheer size of the countries, we won't be able to do what they do.

MLUTiger · Jun 18, 2014

I think municipal networks will be a big player in breaking up monopolies. Companies like Google are rolling out Gigabit internet for a much smaller price than the ISPs. Those two areas I think will be the ones that have potential to make the biggest impact. After that, it's going to take our political leaders to wean themselves off the money being thrown at them by the TimeWarner, Comcast, AT$T, etc. lobbyists and start busting up these businesses.

I don't have an issue with them making money. I take issue with them deciding who gets preferred access on the internet. They don't own the internet. We do.

CajunlostinCali · Jul 18, 2014

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Jmg · Nov 27, 2019

a few years now without net neutrality bullshit, and as i predicted, we are fine. we just saved money on stupid government regulators

Jmg · Nov 27, 2019

MLUTiger said: ↑

Let me try a simpler explanation: Net Neutrality is keeping the internet access open like it is right now and preventing ISPs from creating tiered service in which they can pick and choose what businesses, customers, etc. can have access to each tier. The proposed rules were written by ISPs which have hi-jacked the FCC. It is not advantageous for the consumers. It is extremely disadvantageous for new users and innovation. There is a reason why Google, Facebook, Yahoo, etc. are against it and Cox, Comcast, etc. are the ONLY groups for eliminating Net Neutrality. That little nugget there should be reason enough to support Net Neutrality. The argument isn't that ISPs will jack up prices on high data users. The issue is that they will charge people more to access certain services. You want internet? Fine, that's $50. Oh, you want to access Netflix? That's going to be another $10. You want ESPN streaming? NFL streaming? Vudu? Amazon Prime? Facebook? YouTube? That's another $50. Oh, and the speeds are throttled after 2GB of data. The values I posted are arbitrary, but you get the gist of it. These businesses already make billions of dollars, so let's not pretend that they're scratching to make ends meet.

There are about 130+ cities in American with Municipal Broadband. ISPs fight each one of them and several laws have been passed across the country (Georgia, South Carolina) to prevent their creation, fueled by some serious lobbying by the ISPs. The FCC has actually recommended this model for underserved as the most desired going forward because it's cheaper for consumers and the speeds are faster, but it's a rare occurrence.

As for losing customers, Comcast is well known already for throttling bandwidth. They're growing, not losing customers. Why? Well, the biggest reason is because there is no competition. This company has a well-known history of abusing it's powers created by what is essentially a monopoly. Instead of building out faster networks, reaching out into new areas and innovating the ISPs have collaborated and drawn maps for each other, they lobby for legislation that will prevent local government from creating networks that will provide faster services for much less costs and forced their way into the FCC to try and kill Net Neutrality.

If they're allowed to end current Net Neutrality as we know it, do you really think things would be better for users?

It's very simple: If you feel that ISPs should be allowed to regulate and throttle access to the internet (built out by your taxes, BTW), you are against Net Neutrality. If you feel that everyone should have equal access on the internet, you are for Net Neutrality.
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all of this was wrong and stupid. i am going back to threads we argued about in the past and finding all my correct predictions. there are many. net neutrality is fine, and none of these dumb predictions panned out. just more clamoring for big government bullshit

Jmg · Sep 27, 2023

Jmg said: ↑

a few years now without net neutrality bullshit, and as i predicted, we are fine. we just saved money on stupid government regulators
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this is still true, we never needed net neutrality, but the Biden fuckwads want more control again and are bringing it up again

"FCC announced plans today to reinstate Obama-era net neutrality rules that were rescinded under the Trump Administration"

none of the shit they predicted came true. none of it. exactly like I said would happen. but they still clamor for control.

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