Election 2020

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  1. Kikicaca

    Kikicaca Meaux

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  2. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Then why all the pressure from the left for mail in ballots? If you don't think for a second that they (the left) isn't prepared to cook the books then you are just plain obtuse.
     
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  3. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Lmao seriously! He had nurse "breathe into his nostrils to lift him up"

    Sanity! This dude may be the most insane mf'r I've ever seen on TV!
     
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  4. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    So what’s the problem with mail in ballots? Trump uses them often as does many in his family and staff. Sounds like a red herring
     
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  5. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    by "we" you mean the 7-8 others around here who agree with you? and if it was so wrong then prove it. i have already posted everything to demonstrate that they were not wrong. The polls were eerily correct with the exception of three states. you have no proof to support your assertion that there is mass voter fraud. You are a fraud, dude. You cannot even support your own bull shit.
     
  6. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    we have a pandemic that has killed almost 150,000 people for one. That said, this is sad because it shows that you nor Trump have any idea how badly it would hurt the Republican vote in November if mail in voting isn't accepted. Do you even realize how many elderly Trump voters will be voting with an absentee ballot. Are those ballots fraudulent also? Do you even know that most Republicans in Washington want Trump to STFU about mail-in ballots because they know that a lot of their votes come from mail-in balloting.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/politics/republican-reaction-trump-mail-in-voting/index.html
    https://www.npr.org/2020/06/22/8815...spreads-unfounded-claims-about-voting-by-mail
    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/492880-trump-lays-bare-the-republicans-mail-in-voting-hypocrisy
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...republicans-vote-mail-arizona-florida/612625/

    And just how do you propose that they will do this? I keep hearing you guys say this but where is your evidence? Why hasn't anyone ever suspected mail-in voting before now?
     
  7. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    If they legalize write in voting there will be plenty of fraud.
     
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  8. kcal

    kcal Founding Member

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    https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/v...e-between-absentee-voting-and-voting-by-mail/

    Voting in the Time of Corona: The Difference between Absentee Voting and Voting-by-Mail
    If election officials are going to expand voting by mail this election cycle because of the COVID-19 pandemic, it’s essential to examine the existing absentee and vote-by-mail infrastructure that states already have in place.

    To maintain strict social distancing guidelines in upcoming elections, it’s clearly a good idea to ramp up vote-by-mail and allow absentee voting. But what would that entail? Don’t many states already have absentee voting? Are vote-by-mail and absentee voting the same?

    These are the questions that need to be asked, and here are some answers:

    Absentee Voting refers to when a voter requests a ballot and, if eligible, is subsequently sent one via mail or email. Traditionally, voters are required to provide an “excuse” to qualify for absentee voting, usually pertaining to why they cannot be in a polling place in-person on Election Day. All states allow for some form of absentee voting, 17 of which still require an excuse. However, recent reforms have expanded the availability of absentee voting as a convenience option. By the end of 2019, 33 states and the District of Columbia have “no-excuse absentee voting,” in which any voter may apply for an absentee ballot without providing a justification.

    However, even no-excuse absentee voting differs from strict vote-by-mail.

    Vote-by-Mail (VBM) is the process of sending every registered voter a ballot without a request. While by-mail voting is the default practice in Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, and Utah, VBM states generally keep some polling places or vote centers open for those who either cannot or prefer not to vote by mail. In addition to the five VBM states, 21 additional states use vote-by-mail for a selection of smaller races.

    Why does the difference matter?
    As election policy has grown more complex over time, the terminology surrounding absentee and vote-by-mail has begun to blur. Some states refer to absentee voting by its categorical designation as “vote-by-mail,” while others abide by a stricter delineation between absentee and by-mail voting. These policy differences were relevant before COVID-19, but are even more important to consider now.

    Nuanced language aside, the essential takeaway here is not grammatical, but substantive: states with only absentee voting in place will face additional hurdles to the implementation of vote-by-mail that traditionally VBM states will not.

    States without extensive vote-by-mail infrastructure already in place are not well-equipped for an immediate transition to all vote-by-mail due to the coronavirus. According to a BPC review of federal data on voting by mail and absentee voting, 34 states had fewer than 15% of their ballots cast by mail during the 2018 federal election.

    Facilitating a well-orchestrated vote-by-mail election is the equivalent of a logistical nightmare. And with a global pandemic sweeping the country, this logistical nightmare can only get worse.

    States should keep in mind the following concerns when switching to an all-mail election:

    1. Confusion to Voters. A pandemic may not be the easiest time to teach voters a new voting method. When changing policies, states should continue to monitor public perception and ensure that any changes to elections are communicated quickly, clearly, and concisely. Specific areas of confusion may include: whether voters have to request a mailed ballot and pay for postage, whether voters can trust the postal service to deliver their ballots in a timely manner, and, if not, whether drop boxes are available as an alternative to mail. Additionally, with black voters’ absentee ballots rejected at a far higher rate than white voters, administrators should take additional safeguards to protect the votes of black Americans, or risk undermining the election’s legitimacy.
    2. Challenges to Election Administration. Not only will election administrators have to account for all the above points of confusion to voters, they will have to run an election, too. A successful transition to vote-by-mail would require major technology and staff upgrades, managing resources split between in-person and mail voting, adjusted ballot return deadlines, pre-paid postage, and realistic ballot processing expectations.
    3. Challenges to VBM as COVID-19 Worsens. Vote-by-mail’s Achilles’ heel is the postal service. The Washington Post reports that the long-understaffed U.S. Postal Service is beginning to reach a breaking point as the coronavirus continues to spread. To be fully prepared for a vote-by-mail election, states must develop a backup plan, such as ballot drop-boxes, in case the Postal Service is interrupted or unreliable.
    These things take time and money. While the additional $400 million in emergency elections grants Congress passed as part of the CARES Act will help states’ temporary transition to vote-by-mail, it’s not enough. Running this year’s elections will be challenging, but not as challenging as they could be without considering the whole package of reforms needed for vote-by-mail to succeed.

    The move towards vote-by-mail in the face of COVID-19 is a necessary one, especially for primary elections being conducted over the next few months. However, we must remember that there is no one-size-fits-all approach to election administration. Policy changes which fail to reflect states’ existing election statutory infrastructure (namely, vote-by-mail versus absentee) will fall short of their intended results.

    With new and pressing challenges arriving constantly, it is easy to forget how much influence the past still has on the present. Coronavirus-related election reform will not succeed if it does not account for the existing state of policy and resource allocation.
     
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  9. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun Founding Member

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    Just checked with county Board of Elections. My request for an absentee ballot has been received, scanned, registered, and I am on track to get my ballot in mid-September.

    My county is extremely rural and went for Trump by a huge margin in 2016. To give you an idea, the idiot who is the state representative routinely sponsors or co-sponsors bills to secede from the union. EVERY time a read of a crackpot bill this guy is involved. Anyway. Going out on a limb with the assumption that most voters are GOP.

    When I called the lady said, "If you have been scanned I can tell you, but we are behind because requests are coming in by the hundreds each day." Uhmmm.
     
  10. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    So @kcal that explains some challenges but not the primary objection the @shane0911 voice, fraud and a massive conspiracy to steal the election by the Democrats. There’s been nothing like that since Richard Daley in 1960 and he did it with paper ballots not absentee
    Based on one of the points made in your quote (that black voter ballots are rejected at a higher rate) they’re should have little problem with vote by mail. :)
    Again the president and his family are absentee voters so it seems hypocritical for them to oppose it. Of course that’s his modus operendi isn’t it.
     

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