All This Talk about the Polls

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  1. goldengirlfan

    goldengirlfan simple man

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    Yes, they did. Watched the entire game. Kansas could've easily put 100 on them. Seriously. My, how the mighty have fallen.
     
  2. Hawker45

    Hawker45 Founding Member

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    Actually, my bad... my very bad... now I know I read way too much stuff.

    Hoch's comments were made after Texas A&M rolled Nebraska in the second half a few weeks ago. It was then that he reopened his search. He was at the Iowa/Michigan State game last week with his dad and is doing his official this weekend.

    So if he thought they quit playing in the second half against the Aggies, I can't imagine what he thought about the Kansas game.

    Anyway, I got confused, sorry about that...
     
  3. PhilosophyAskew

    PhilosophyAskew Founding Member

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    The game was actually kinda close until hallftime. After that Kansas blew the doors off Nebraska and accumulated all the points they would score in the game by beginning of the 4th quarter.

    Don't know if it was a lack of trying by Nebraska or a lack of athletes. Probably some of both. That said, Kansas WILL lose at some point, I'd bet the bank on it. :wave:
     
  4. TerryP

    TerryP Founding Member

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    It was 47-24 at the half. They were only up by a touchdown after the 1st quarter though.
     
  5. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    But TC is unequivocally stating that if LSU wins out, no matter in what style we win them, we will be stay ahead of both Oregon and Kansas in the BCS rankings.

    I wish I could agree with that, but it just isn't the case. LSU must concern themselves with style points vs Oregon. After this weekend, both teams play the next 3 weekends. If its perceived that LSU "lucks" out another victory (especially if its Ole Miss) then Oregon will jump LSU with an impressive victory over their opponent.

    I also contend that if Kansas wins out they will jump LSU as well. An undefeated champion of a BCS conference will overtake a 1 loss team. Their computer rankings will jump LSU in every poll, so they only need to be really close to LSU in the human polls to overtake us. And Ohio State may act as a buffer in some of the computer polls in the following manner:

    1. Kansas
    2. Ohio State
    3. LSU

    causing an even larger rift between LSU and Kansas...and ultimately give us a total computer ranking such as:

    1. Kansas .980
    1. Ohio State .980
    3. LSU .920

    That's a significan enough difference to scare anyone. To take it a step further, Kansas would take over the #2 spot with Human polls such as (I'll use just the Coaches poll to illustrate):

    Coaches
    1. OSU 1500
    2. LSU 1400
    3. Kansas 1350

    That's manageable for Kansas.

    Put is this way, if the top 4 BCS teams win out, there will 2 teams screaming bloody murder with the #2, #3, and #4 spots being oh so close.
     
  6. TC

    TC Le Big Mac

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    No I'm not. I'm saying that if LSU wins out, they won't have to worry about Oregon. An undefeated Kansas who beat both Mizzou and Oklahoma would and should play in the title game over a one-loss LSU.

    But Kansas may lose as early as this Saturday, at Stillwater.
     
  7. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Final computer poll projections if all of the top 4 teams win out:

    .........................A&H.....RB.....CM.....KM.....JS.....PW
    1. Kansas.............25......23......22.....25......25.....24.... .970
    2. Ohio State........24......25......23.....23......24.....25.... .960
    3. LSU.................23......24......25.....24......23.....23.... .940
    4. Oregon.............22......22......24.....22......22.....22.... .880

    Given this scenario, Oregon's chances of passing LSU is hurt somewhat as the margin between them is widened from a .040 deficit to a .060 deficit (thanks in part to Kansas).

    So human polls, Kansas would have to get pretty close:

    1. Ohio State 1500
    2. Oregon 1450
    3. LSU 1400
    4. Kansas 1375

    A poll ending such as this would create a virtual 3 way tie for 2nd place in the BCS.

    It's gonna be a mess if all 4 teams win out.

    Ultimately I think TC is correct. Oregon has little chance of surpassing LSU for #2 in the BCS if both win out. Kansas' chances will all depend on the human voters. I think they would jump us or come close enough to give Kansas the nod at #2 in the BCS over LSU.

    Of course there is the real possibility that the AP could do a 2003 all over again and vote Kansas as #1 in their poll. They could easily do this since they aren't even a part of the BCS formula anymore.
     
  8. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    My bad, not sure how I missed that as it was quite clear what you were stating. Apologies.
     

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